Long mystical weekend (long)

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Good luck. I sincerely hope that this is not in an American Indian format.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is about our experience with the Shaman so if this isn’t for you, stop reading. I won’t get too involved but let me say that when Curt and I arrived at T.M’s house Friday evening we were very nervous. we met Steven (the Shaman) and the others that were going to be there. Steven can’t work until dark and since it doesn’t get dark in Minnesota until almost 10 pm we had a bit of time to kill. First Curt and I went to eat and when we got back everyone wanted to go get a coffee so we walked up to a coffee shop and got better aquainted. Friday night Steven worked mostly on Curt. I can’t describe what happened in a way that you would believe but something happened and everyone there knew it. He also helped a woman named Jan who had been cured of her breast cancer but doesn’t feel safe.she has been suffering from migraines and feels that he removed them. she will know soon enough. We came back for Saturday and Sunday night too. Tonight Steven in staying with us in our humble home and curt will drive him to the airport tomorrow. He isn’t going back to Peru until August. he is staying in the states to help Curt. Last night he did some work on me too and it was very real. the vibrations were real. I saw things that no one here would believe but that’s ok because I was there and so were 2 pyschologists. a few people opted out on last night. if fact out of 4 women I was the only one there 3 nights. Curt is fully believing that he can get better. He is still taking his Lupron shots and his Procrit, and Zometa, taking his meds. as far as the costs? those that were there for "spiritual experiences" paid $400. we don’t have to pay that. we can donate to his clinic whatever we can. he has other "clients" to recoup those costs.  It will cost more to eat organic but that’s ok. I think we are going to go stay with him in La Quinta CA end of July. pro bono of course. I believe that things we do come back on us. The week after Curt’s diagnosis we went on a scheduled trip to the Dominican Republic. we ran all over that side of the island with locals. we helped people. one night I gave a young man that we had met $20.00 for papers to work some food money and he showed up the next night and showed us his papers that had just been issued that day. we helped a Haitian man (total 4th class citizens there) with his rent for a few months $60 and Curt literally gave him the shirt off his back, his shoes, undergarments, toiletries, money, stamps and papers to write to us, a spanish-english dictionary, we took him to places that he wasn’t allowed to go by himself. good restaurants etc.. we did this for about 6 months until he blew it by listening to the wrong people and trying to get a large amount of money out of us – any money we get together we take a trip- It’s too bad because we wanted to sponsor Filipe to come here to learn a trade so he could support his mom and siblings in Haiti. There were a few men who were jealous that we had taken Filipe under our wings and protection and they wanted our help and friendship too but one in particular was very evil inside and we believe that he is the one who thought up the scam. Filipe’s english wasn’t very good and after a few phone calls this other man was talking for him. too bad. but we couldn’t deal with scams. as we aren’t here. so there you go. I’ll let you know his labs when we get them in a few weeks. take care all Lori

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I guess we are all "boat people"

Not me – I’m a "plane person". — Peter Headland

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 I guess we are all "boat people" Not me – I’m a "plane person". — Peter Headland Let’s hope you have a nice flight tomorrow and a safe landing. With many takeoffs and landings in the future.. Owen Lolar

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My gramma called the Hmong that were moving into Minneapolis in the late ’70’s early ’80s as "boat people" and the food co-op was called "the hippie store" damn I miss that woman. it’s only been 25 yrs but I miss her like it was yesterday. Lori

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Wonder how your gramma would feel about being a "boat people" also, lol…… Well, I assume that her relatives arrived in this country via boat…….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My gramma called the Hmong that were moving into Minneapolis in the late ’70’s early ’80s as "boat people" and the food co-op was called "the hippie store" damn I miss that woman. it’s only been 25 yrs but I miss her like it was yesterday. Lori

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LOL!!  I never thought about that.  I guess we are all "boat people"…unless there were some really good swimmers in England, etc.  My family has been in Canada for 6 generations and the Wright brothers hadn’t been born yet (1820 we arrived). In genealogy, it is just simply amazing how many Americans claim that they descend from the original Mayflower people….if so, it would have been the size of the Queen Mary!!  But to be honest, the Mayflower did make more than one trip. Just some silly trivia on CANADA DAY!! Cheers…..Heather

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wonder how your gramma would feel about being a "boat people" also, lol…… Well, I assume that her relatives arrived in this country via boat……. My gramma called the Hmong that were moving into Minneapolis in the late ’70’s early ’80s as "boat people" and the food co-op was called "the hippie store" damn I miss that woman. it’s only been 25 yrs but I miss her like it was yesterday. Lori

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A-ho my friend, Did not see the Peru part…. Just have a thing about crystal people and their sweats……. and the Mary Thunder’s of the world. Would you believe that I teach Diversity and now can borrow the phrase "Boat People", I like that unique descriptor. Take care. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good luck. I sincerely hope that this is not in an American Indian format. Be Careful there Gourd Dancer ! I happen to be an "American Indian" and a prostate survivor. Don’t make me start in on my Diversity training speech about "Boat People" . Besides they said he was from Peru. (europe I presume). Or I may have to aask you to Explain yourself. Etc. With that I’ll go back to lurking. as I start a two week vacation and look forward to a little "spiritual experience" with a gathering of basketmakers next week in Bar harbor,Me. Peace, and ‘Woliwon’ O.F. Lolar Penobscot Nation

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Good luck. I sincerely hope that this is not in an American Indian format. Be Careful there Gourd Dancer ! I happen to be an "American Indian" and a prostate survivor. Don’t make me start in on my Diversity training speech about "Boat People" .  Besides they said he was from Peru. (europe I presume). Or I may have to aask you to Explain yourself. Etc.  With that I’ll go back to lurking. as I start a two week vacation and look forward to a little "spiritual experience" with a gathering of basketmakers next week in Bar harbor,Me. Peace, and ‘Woliwon’ O.F. Lolar Penobscot Nation

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Ok, I’m green with envy. Two week vacation and spending it in Bar Harbor with old friends and family. Now that is what I call taking the time to smell the roses!!! (And the smell of lobster, clams, etc steaming away in a sand pit.) What a lucky man you are! Bev – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good luck. I sincerely hope that this is not in an American Indian format. Be Careful there Gourd Dancer ! I happen to be an "American Indian" and a prostate survivor. Don’t make me start in on my Diversity training speech about "Boat People" .  Besides they said he was from Peru. (europe I presume). Or I may have to aask you to Explain yourself. Etc.  With that I’ll go back to lurking. as I start a two week vacation and look forward to a little "spiritual experience" with a gathering of basketmakers next week in Bar harbor,Me. Peace, and ‘Woliwon’ O.F. Lolar Penobscot Nation

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Hi, Bev,   Lucky! Yes in many ways. I will be among friends and family. which is what we cherish the most. Sadly though one friend will not be able to make the yearly gathering, as his battle with Pca has gotten worse (gone metatastic) to his spine. and is too weak to travel anymore.  So we will be meeting his wife there for ‘Spritual Prayers"..   Also, I will be meeting two other members and friends of whom also are Pca survivors..   But! the Lobsters will be in August when we have our yearly Family Gathering at my Wifes Niece Camp in Raymond to celebrate the memories of her Uncle and my Hunting buddy who passed in 1968 of Colon Cancer at the age of 56. Of which I am right now.   So Yes I consider myself a lucky man, to have a wonderful family and support from them and understanding people of the Newsgroup.   Oh and your all welcome to attend in Bar harbor, 1st Sat of every year in July, Free Admission. with good food, Drumming,Dancing and Plenty of baskets to buy..At the College of the Atlantic..   Peace To All   O.F. Lolar   Penobscot Indian Nation

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Well Lori, I guess that is no more out of it than drinking your own urine in order to cure PCa (Hi Howard, wherever you are).   Just watch your checkbook, please. Good luck to you both.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is about our experience with the Shaman so if this isn’t for you, stop reading. I won’t get too involved but let me say that when Curt and I arrived at T.M’s house Friday evening we were very nervous. we met Steven (the Shaman) and the others that were going to be there. Steven can’t work until dark and since it doesn’t get dark in Minnesota until almost 10 pm we had a bit of time to kill. First Curt and I went to eat and when we got back everyone wanted to go get a coffee so we walked up to a coffee shop and got better aquainted. Friday night Steven worked mostly on Curt. I can’t describe what happened in a way that you would believe but something happened and everyone there knew it. He also helped a woman named Jan who had been cured of her breast cancer but doesn’t feel safe.she has been suffering from migraines and feels that he removed them. she will know soon enough. We came back for Saturday and Sunday night too. Tonight Steven in staying with us in our humble home and curt will drive him to the airport tomorrow. He isn’t going back to Peru until August. he is staying in the states to help Curt. Last night he did some work on me too and it was very real. the vibrations were real. I saw things that no one here would believe but that’s ok because I was there and so were 2 pyschologists. a few people opted out on last night. if fact out of 4 women I was the only one there 3 nights. Curt is fully believing that he can get better. He is still taking his Lupron shots and his Procrit, and Zometa, taking his meds. as far as the costs? those that were there for "spiritual experiences" paid $400. we don’t have to pay that. we can donate to his clinic whatever we can. he has other "clients" to recoup those costs.  It will cost more to eat organic but that’s ok. I think we are going to go stay with him in La Quinta CA end of July. pro bono of course. I believe that things we do come back on us. The week after Curt’s diagnosis we went on a scheduled trip to the Dominican Republic. we ran all over that side of the island with locals. we helped people. one night I gave a young man that we had met $20.00 for papers to work some food money and he showed up the next night and showed us his papers that had just been issued that day. we helped a Haitian man (total 4th class citizens there) with his rent for a few months $60 and Curt literally gave him the shirt off his back, his shoes, undergarments, toiletries, money, stamps and papers to write to us, a spanish-english dictionary, we took him to places that he wasn’t allowed to go by himself. good restaurants etc.. we did this for about 6 months until he blew it by listening to the wrong people and trying to get a large amount of money out of us – any money we get together we take a trip- It’s too bad because we wanted to sponsor Filipe to come here to learn a trade so he could support his mom and siblings in Haiti. There were a few men who were jealous that we had taken Filipe under our wings and protection and they wanted our help and friendship too but one in particular was very evil inside and we believe that he is the one who thought up the scam. Filipe’s english wasn’t very good and after a few phone calls this other man was talking for him. too bad. but we couldn’t deal with scams. as we aren’t here. so there you go. I’ll let you know his labs when we get them in a few weeks. take care all Lori

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This is about our experience with the Shaman so if this isn’t for you, stop reading. I won’t get too involved but let me say that when Curt and I arrived at T.M’s house Friday evening we were very nervous. we met Steven (the Shaman) and the others that were going to be there. Steven can’t work until dark and since it doesn’t get dark in Minnesota until almost 10 pm we had a bit of time to kill. First Curt and I went to eat and when we got back everyone wanted to go get a coffee so we walked up to a coffee shop and got better aquainted. Friday night Steven worked mostly on Curt. I can’t describe what happened in a way that you would believe but something happened and everyone there knew it. He also helped a woman named Jan who had been cured of her breast cancer but doesn’t feel safe.she has been suffering from migraines and feels that he removed them. she will know soon enough. We came back for Saturday and Sunday night too. Tonight Steven in staying with us in our humble home and curt will drive him to the airport tomorrow. He isn’t going back to Peru until August. he is staying in the states to help Curt. Last night he did some work on me too and it was very real. the vibrations were real. I saw things that no one here would believe but that’s ok because I was there and so were 2 pyschologists. a few people opted out on last night. if fact out of 4 women I was the only one there 3 nights. Curt is fully believing that he can get better. He is still taking his Lupron shots and his Procrit, and Zometa, taking his meds. as far as the costs? those that were there for "spiritual experiences" paid $400. we don’t have to pay that. we can donate to his clinic whatever we can. he has other "clients" to recoup those costs.  It will cost more to eat organic but that’s ok. I think we are going to go stay with him in La Quinta CA end of July. pro bono of course. I believe that things we do come back on us. The week after Curt’s diagnosis we went on a scheduled trip to the Dominican Republic. we ran all over that side of the island with locals. we helped people. one night I gave a young man that we had met $20.00 for papers to work some food money and he showed up the next night and showed us his papers that had just been issued that day. we helped a Haitian man (total 4th class citizens there) with his rent for a few months $60 and Curt literally gave him the shirt off his back, his shoes, undergarments, toiletries, money, stamps and papers to write to us, a spanish-english dictionary, we took him to places that he wasn’t allowed to go by himself. good restaurants etc.. we did this for about 6 months until he blew it by listening to the wrong people and trying to get a large amount of money out of us – any money we get together we take a trip- It’s too bad because we wanted to sponsor Filipe to come here to learn a trade so he could support his mom and siblings in Haiti. There were a few men who were jealous that we had taken Filipe under our wings and protection and they wanted our help and friendship too but one in particular was very evil inside and we believe that he is the one who thought up the scam. Filipe’s english wasn’t very good and after a few phone calls this other man was talking for him. too bad. but we couldn’t deal with scams. as we aren’t here. so there you go. I’ll let you know his labs when we get them in a few weeks. take care all Lori

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It’s very fascinating. I’m sure this man will help you to find peace and I do hope he can help Curt. Bev

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is about our experience with the Shaman so if this isn’t for you, stop reading. I won’t get too involved but let me say that when Curt and I arrived at T.M’s house Friday evening we were very nervous. we met Steven (the Shaman) and the others that were going to be there. Steven can’t work until dark and since it doesn’t get dark in Minnesota until almost 10 pm we had a bit of time to kill. First Curt and I went to eat and when we got back everyone wanted to go get a coffee so we walked up to a coffee shop and got better aquainted. Friday night Steven worked mostly on Curt. I can’t describe what happened in a way that you would believe but something happened and everyone there knew it. He also helped a woman named Jan who had been cured of her breast cancer but doesn’t feel safe.she has been suffering from migraines and feels that he removed them. she will know soon enough. We came back for Saturday and Sunday night too. Tonight Steven in staying with us in our humble home and curt will drive him to the airport tomorrow. He isn’t going back to Peru until August. he is staying in the states to help Curt. Last night he did some work on me too and it was very real. the vibrations were real. I saw things that no one here would believe but that’s ok because I was there and so were 2 pyschologists. a few people opted out on last night. if fact out of 4 women I was the only one there 3 nights. Curt is fully believing that he can get better. He is still taking his Lupron shots and his Procrit, and Zometa, taking his meds. as far as the costs? those that were there for "spiritual experiences" paid $400. we don’t have to pay that. we can donate to his clinic whatever we can. he has other "clients" to recoup those costs.  It will cost more to eat organic but that’s ok. I think we are going to go stay with him in La Quinta CA end of July. pro bono of course. I believe that things we do come back on us. The week after Curt’s diagnosis we went on a scheduled trip to the Dominican Republic. we ran all over that side of the island with locals. we helped people. one night I gave a young man that we had met $20.00 for papers to work some food money and he showed up the next night and showed us his papers that had just been issued that day. we helped a Haitian man (total 4th class citizens there) with his rent for a few months $60 and Curt literally gave him the shirt off his back, his shoes, undergarments, toiletries, money, stamps and papers to write to us, a spanish-english dictionary, we took him to places that he wasn’t allowed to go by himself. good restaurants etc.. we did this for about 6 months until he blew it by listening to the wrong people and trying to get a large amount of money out of us – any money we get together we take a trip- It’s too bad because we wanted to sponsor Filipe to come here to learn a trade so he could support his mom and siblings in Haiti. There were a few men who were jealous that we had taken Filipe under our wings and protection and they wanted our help and friendship too but one in particular was very evil inside and we believe that he is the one who thought up the scam. Filipe’s english wasn’t very good and after a few phone calls this other man was talking for him. too bad. but we couldn’t deal with scams. as we aren’t here. so there you go. I’ll let you know his labs when we get them in a few weeks. take care all Lori

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US/UK Difference

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Why have you changed your name? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Why have you changed your name?

Changed my name?  Whatever do you mean?

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I’m reading a novel, "Is There Anything You Want" by Margaret Forster which is set partly in a breast cancer hospital in the UK.I was surprised by this passage in which the doctor is seeing a new patient:  "She (the doctor) was taken aback to see not only a young woman on the bed, but a man standing beside her, holding her hand.  It was against the rules. These rules were not actually written down but they were always obeyed: only the patient in the examining cubicle, unless special permission had been requested and granted."

A historical novel perhaps? The only time I was ever refused permission to accompany my wife in hospital was in the diagnostic x-ray suite, where it was explained that due to lack of changing rooms they have several patients dressing and undressing at the same time in the limited space and so they were operating a single-sex policy in that room. Which is about the same as being prevented from accompanying her into the changing rooms in a dress shop. — Tim Jackson -Who needs to pay Microsoft?  Free Open Source Software- www.mozilla.org       FIREFOX Web Browser,  THUNDERBIRD Email/News www.openoffice.org      Office Suite

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A historical novel perhaps?

No, it was published this year and the setting is contemporary.  It takes place in the north of England, so maybe that has a bearing?

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A historical novel perhaps? No, it was published this year and the setting is contemporary.  It takes place in the north of England, so maybe that has a bearing?

LOL! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m reading a novel, "Is There Anything You Want" by Margaret Forster which is set partly in a breast cancer hospital in the UK.I was surprised by this passage in which the doctor is seeing a new patient: "She (the doctor) was taken aback to see not only a young woman on the bed, but a man standing beside her, holding her hand.  It was against the rules. These rules were not actually written down but they were always obeyed: only the patient in the examining cubicle, unless special permission had been requested and granted." Here in the US a caregiver routinely accompanies the patient, and I wouldn’t dream of letting my wife see a doc alone for anything other than the most routine check-up.  The doctors of course are used to this and I believe welcome it (although perhaps they didn’t to start with) because the caregiver can be better than the patient at making sure that all the questions are asked and answered and can be helpful when decisions must be made.  My sense, both from the book and from comments in this and other forums is that there is much more of a "doctor knows best" attitude in the UK than here. I’ve never known of any occasion when my husband or anyone else I wanted with me has been asked not to be there, with one exception. That was when my children were being born in hospital forty years ago, things have changed hugely since then. I’ve been with my daughter and daughters in law as well as or instead of their husbands when they gave birth. These days siblings and friends are often with women giving birth, it’s regarded as the woman’s right to choose. You said: "I wouldn’t dream of letting my wife see a doc alone for anything other than the most routine check-up" In UK please note that it would be the wife’s choice. The idea that a man wouldn’t LET his wife see a doctor alone is so old fashioned as to be laughable. We, men and women, are free to do what they want in respect of medical attention – they can even object to anyone else being present at a consultation no matter how important it is. If we want someone with us we invite them. Yesterday I was with a neighbour whose husband is dying in a nursing home. The consultant asked to see the neighbour about her husband’s condition and care and discussed it freely with the neighbour and with me, without asking who I was or my credentials. It was assumed that if the neighbour was happy in my presence then there was no problem, my questions were answered as freely as the wife’s. If you take your ‘evidence’ from novels you’re never going to know the truth of our culture. Goodness, if we believed USAian fiction we’d think you were a different species! As for what you read in forums, they are individual responses to individual situations. Again, it’s our choice to trust the doctors or to think that we might know better. We choose a doctor and if we don’t trust a doctor we change him or her. But I think that most people don’t assume that the doctor is hiding anything. They have nothing to gain by doing so. Mary I was ging to post the very same things that you have put so well ,

mary… my husband is there with me at all times, at my invitation and would respect my wishes if I wanted to go alone,  without question or query…                    Pam xx

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I was ging to post the very same things that you have put so well , mary… my husband is there with me at all times, at my invitation and would respect my wishes if I wanted to go alone,  without question or query…                   Pam xx

Don’t take it seriously, Pam, it’s Lobby Ludd and I’m claiming my

Daikon fries – Soy flour

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  Why don’t you read what the FDA says about Soy, instead of some articles from  wacko idiots who spout lies as facts and who have absolute no validity among research scientists. .  Start here.   The news only gets better.     http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2000/300_soy.html PJ

Isn’t the FDA the one who supports (as per your article) "A yearlong   review of the available human studies in 1999 prompted FDA to allow a   health claim on food labels stating that a daily diet containing 25 grams   of soy protein, also low in saturated fat and cholesterol, may reduce the   risk of heart disease."  If so, why is it that, eating all the saturated   fat I choose to eat, I’ve raised my HDL, lowered my triglycerides,   bettered my TC/HDL ratio, improved glucose tolerance, lowered fasting   blood sugar, etc.?  Who are the wackos — the people who question the FDA   or the FDA? — Bob in CT

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Intelligent people engage in debate, not name calling.

intelligent people also know how to properly quote the posts they’re replying to. so i guess that leaves you out.

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I love Daikon and I had seen a low carb show recently where the guy had made daikon fries dipping into soy flour. Claiming they were good. They "looked" good. And I’m planning to make it. Has anyone made this before? What I’m wondering is the soy flour. I use beans and make Natto, but I had never used the flour. Is this something worth cooking with? He also made a bun from it for a sandwich. Essentially, it shows half the carbs of wheat bread, if I recall it correctly. Do you regular low carbers use soy flour and is the taste/texture worth it? Is there a better alternative?

Soy flour tastes nasty to me. I coat fish goujons in a no-carb bake mix, and make Indian bhajias with gram (chickpea) flour – I don’t know what the carb count is on that, as I’m primarily low-carbing from a diabetic POV, but it works for me! Nicky. — A1c 10.5/5.7/<6  Weight 95/79/72Kg 1g Metformin, 75ug Thyroxine T2 DX 05/2004

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tofu is NOT fermented. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cultures who eat soy don’t eat it in the same way Americans do. Asians eat small amounts of FERMENTED soy products, such as tofu, soy sauce, miso, or tempeh. You do not see soy products that imitate meat, like soy hot dogs, etc. Also, the soy industry is laughing all the way to the bank that they have convinced gullible consumers that the cheapest of food is being processed into something that is perceived as "healthy". It is also one of the most likely sources of genetic modification. Boca Burgers’ tag line is "The taste will change you"– yes indeed; it’ll change your body, but not for the better. There is also evidence that soy formula for babies is harmful. Take the time to read the research and you’ll find that the soy industry has conned many people. Check out <westonaprice.org for information that is thoughtfully researched and is not based on someone’s (ill-informed) opinion.

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Again – Tofu is made without fermentation. And seiten is made with gluten derived from wheat. There goes your claim to have had done your homework on soy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Intelligent people engage in debate, not name calling. Remember, people thought Copernicus was crazy. 1. Soybeans contain a number of toxins, and they’re not safe to eat raw or before they’ve been treated with harsh chemical processing–acid baths, high heat, as well as additives such as artificial flavorings, sweeteners, and nitrates, which can convert to carcinogens in the body. One toxin, a protease inhibitor, slows growth in rats; we don’t know yet whether it has the same function in human children. 2. Unless sprouted, soybeans have a bad omega-6 to omega-3 ratio, 20 to 1. Unless they’re femented, they’re hard to digest. However, fermented soybeans (tofu, natto, miso, soy sauce, tempeh, seitan) have a good fatty-acid ratio. 3. 80% of the cooking oil used in America today is soy oil, and it’s as much as 40% trans fat, the dangerous kind. 4. Compared to animal-protein sources, soy protein is quite low quality, low in the essential amino acidmethionine and in cysteine. It’s deficient in vitamins E, K, D, and B12, and in copper, zinc, magnesium, and calcium (and the phytates in soy bind these minerals, even if you get them from other sources). 5. Although in 1999 the FDA allowed manufacturers to make claims for soy and heart health, it still hasn’t added soy to the GRAS list, the highly selective Generally Regarded as Safe list. Doctors inside the FDA have raised concerns about some of the issues noted here (which the FDA claims it was fully aware of when it made the heart healthy recommendation), and until there’s a truly clean bill of health for soy, it’s unlikely it will be invited into the inner circle of GRAS foods. (To see what’s up at the FDA from a critical point of view, check out www.fdareview.org.) 6. The isoflavones in soy are phytoestrogens, and they have powerful effects on our hormones, including antithyroid effects. The Japanese, who mainly eat soy in mainly fermented forms, get 28 milligrams of isoflavones a day. Infants being fed soy formula get a whopping 38 mg. According to Dr. Jonathan V. Wright, that’s the equivalent of five birth control pills a day for infants! 7. Although soy is supposed to be protective against breast cancer, a 1996 study found that soy-eating women had increased epithelial hyperplasia, an early form of malignancy. In 1997, a chemical found in soy was pinpointed as encouraging breast cells to metastasize. 8. Soy is often touted as a good source of omega-3s, but in fact those are cancelled out by its very high ratio of omega-6s. Its omega-3 level is about to drop to half in any case, because new breeds of soy have eliminated a lot of the omega-3 as a way to enhance shelf life–but labels will still list the old values. 9. Soy contains hemagglutinin, a substance which makes platelets stickier and more likely to clot. UNLIKE THE FERMENTED FORMS EATEN IN ASIA, soy is toxic in its natural state (like rapeseed, from which canola oil is made), and it doesn’t taste good. For more bad news on soy, check out www.soyonlineservice.co.nz

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tofu is NOT fermented. I can find many recipes that don’t require fermenting tofu and many   recipes that require that tofu be fermented.

have you ever tried the deep fried shanghainese fermented smelly tofu? what are the recipes that requre the tofu be fermented?  am curious!

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Again – Tofu is made without fermentation. And seiten is made with gluten derived from wheat. There goes your claim to have had done your homework on soy.

Same with soy milk, sprouts and edaname. Try reading this http://tinyurl.com/cmzf called taking the joy out of soy. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=taking+the+joy+out+of+soy&hl=en&lr=… Also consider that Chinese have a  tradition of using gluten and soy substitutes for mock meat as in Buddhist vegetarian fare. Sid…

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tofu is NOT fermented. I can find many recipes that don’t require fermenting tofu and many recipes that require that tofu be fermented. have you ever tried the deep fried shanghainese fermented smelly tofu?

It’s a great addition to stir fried veggies such as lettuce. Sid…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Again – Tofu is made without fermentation. And seiten is made with gluten derived from wheat. There goes your claim to have had done your homework on soy. Same with soy milk, sprouts and edaname. Try reading this http://tinyurl.com/cmzf called taking the joy out of   soy. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=taking+the+joy+out+of+soy&hl=en&lr=… Also consider that Chinese have a  tradition of using gluten and soy substitutes for mock meat as in Buddhist vegetarian fare. Sid…

Personally, there’s too much good and bad about soy, so I tend to minimize   its use. — Bob in CT

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – tofu is NOT fermented. I can find many recipes that don’t require fermenting tofu and many recipes that require that tofu be fermented. have you ever tried the deep fried shanghainese fermented smelly tofu? It’s a great addition to stir fried veggies such as lettuce. Sid…

Argghhhhh… haven’t had any for ages!  Please don’t remind me of their existence!!!  ;-)

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Soy flour tastes nasty to me. I coat fish goujons in a no-carb bake mix, and make Indian bhajias with gram (chickpea) flour – I don’t know what the carb count is on that, as I’m primarily low-carbing from a diabetic POV, but it works for me! Fair enough – I’ve read it in a magazine that the soya beans have to be heated to up 120 degrees to remove the bad taste before they make soya milk with the beans (I think it’s Celsius – the article is written in Chinese and it didn’t state Fahrenheit or Celsius).  So may be dry baking the mix at high heat before you use it might get rid of the taste you dislike?  It’s just a guess though.

Oh, OK, that’s interesting – thanks. I’ll give it a go next time I have a pancake urge! Nicky. — A1c 10.5/5.7/<6  Weight 95/79/72Kg 1g Metformin, 75ug Thyroxine T2 DX 05/2004

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I love Daikon and I had seen a low carb show recently where the guy had made daikon fries dipping into soy flour. Claiming they were good. They "looked" good. And I’m planning to make it. Has anyone made this before? What I’m wondering is the soy flour. I use beans and make Natto, but I had never used the flour. Is this something worth cooking with? He also made a bun from it for a sandwich. Essentially, it shows half the carbs of wheat bread, if I recall it correctly. Do you regular low carbers use soy flour and is the taste/texture worth it? Is there a better alternative? Soy flour tastes nasty to me. I coat fish goujons in a no-carb bake mix, and make Indian bhajias with gram (chickpea) flour – I don’t know what the carb count is on that, as I’m primarily low-carbing from a diabetic POV, but it works for me! Nicky.

 Yeah, I agree.  Low Carb Bread with Soy flour is horrible but healthy.  I often sweeten mine with half a packet of splenda and it tastes ok.    I eat one slice max a day so don’t have to suffer much….  But then Whole Wheat Bread has always tasted nasty to me too.   I see why so many brands have added honey to the bread. PJ

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Soy flour tastes nasty to me. I coat fish goujons in a no-carb bake mix, and make Indian bhajias with gram (chickpea) flour – I don’t know what the carb count is on that, as I’m primarily low-carbing from a diabetic POV, but it works for me! Fair enough – I’ve read it in a magazine that the soya beans have to be heated to up 120 degrees to remove the bad taste before they make soya milk with the beans (I think it’s Celsius – the article is written in Chinese and it didn’t state Fahrenheit or Celsius).  So may be dry baking the mix at high heat before you use it might get rid of the taste you dislike?  It’s just a guess though. Oh, OK, that’s interesting – thanks. I’ll give it a go next time I have a pancake urge! Nicky.

  Speaking of pancakes, I use my soyflour to make blueberry pancakes, too.   With enough splenda, they are quite tasty and satisfy a craving I built over a year and a half without pancakes.  PJ

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for my pancakes I use 1/4 c baking mix, 1/8 cup flax seed meal. If you let it set for 5 minutes after mixing- the flax makes a taller pancake. — Diane

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Soy flour tastes nasty to me. I coat fish goujons in a no-carb bake mix, and make Indian bhajias with gram (chickpea) flour – I don’t know what the carb count is on that, as I’m primarily low-carbing from a diabetic POV, but it works for me! Fair enough – I’ve read it in a magazine that the soya beans have to be heated to up 120 degrees to remove the bad taste before they make soya milk with the beans (I think it’s Celsius – the article is written in Chinese and it didn’t state Fahrenheit or Celsius).  So may be dry baking the mix at high heat before you use it might get rid of the taste you dislike?  It’s just a guess though. Oh, OK, that’s interesting – thanks. I’ll give it a go next time I have a pancake urge! Nicky.  Speaking of pancakes, I use my soyflour to make blueberry pancakes, too.   With enough splenda, they are quite tasty and satisfy a craving I built over a year and a half without pancakes. PJ

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I love Daikon and I had seen a low carb show recently where the guy had made daikon fries dipping into soy flour. Claiming they were good. They "looked" good. And I’m planning to make it. Has anyone made this before? What I’m wondering is the soy flour. I use beans and make Natto, but I had never used the flour. Is this something worth cooking with? He also made a bun from it for a sandwich. Essentially, it shows half the carbs of wheat bread, if I recall it correctly. Do you regular low carbers use soy flour and is the taste/texture worth it? Is there a better alternative? Soy flour tastes nasty to me. I coat fish goujons in a no-carb bake mix, and make Indian bhajias with gram (chickpea) flour – I don’t know what the carb count is on that, as I’m primarily low-carbing from a diabetic POV, but it works for me!

Fair enough – I’ve read it in a magazine that the soya beans have to be heated to up 120 degrees to remove the bad taste before they make soya milk with the beans (I think it’s Celsius – the article is written in Chinese and it didn’t state Fahrenheit or Celsius).  So may be dry baking the mix at high heat before you use it might get rid of the taste you dislike?  It’s just a guess though.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – tofu is NOT fermented. Cultures who eat soy don’t eat it in the same way Americans do. Asians eat small amounts of FERMENTED soy products, such as tofu, soy sauce, miso, or tempeh. You do not see soy products that imitate meat, like soy hot dogs, etc. Also, the soy industry is laughing all the way to the bank that they have convinced gullible consumers that the cheapest of food is being processed into something that is perceived as "healthy". It is also one of the most likely sources of genetic modification. Boca Burgers’ tag line is "The taste will change you"– yes indeed; it’ll change your body, but not for the better.  There is also evidence that soy formula for babies is harmful.  Take the time to read the research and you’ll find that the soy industry has conned many people. Check out <westonaprice.org for information that is thoughtfully researched and is not based on someone’s (ill-informed) opinion.

I can find many recipes that don’t require fermenting tofu and many   recipes that require that tofu be fermented. — Bob in CT

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My baking mix- Atkins or Mini Carb brand, is soy based- a real life saver for making muffins, but I haven’t made anything not sweet. The soy flour has a slight bitter taste that needs a little sweetener.  I’d like to find how to fry fish with it. Also I have plain soy protein and oat bran, with are ingredients in these baking mixes- how do you make your own mix? — Diane

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I love Daikon and I had seen a low carb show recently where the guy had made daikon fries dipping into soy flour. Claiming they were good. They "looked" good. And I’m planning to make it. Has anyone made this before? What I’m wondering is the soy flour. I use beans and make Natto, but I had never used the flour. Is this something worth cooking with? He also made a bun from it for a sandwich. Essentially, it shows half the carbs of wheat bread, if I recall it correctly. Do you regular low carbers use soy flour and is the taste/texture worth it? Is there a better alternative?    Best Regards,                 Steve Tout est per

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Chemo with clinical trial study?

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I fear that Celebrex will be taken off the market too! When I take motrin or naprosyn my stomach hurts. Alex

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<< When I take motrin or naprosyn my stomach hurts. Alex  <BR<BR I half-jokingly presented my theory to my onc. and he concurred.  If something like that occurs, then I think this might be some type of anti-trust violation.  I am not certain but it seems like it might be.

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Hub doctors issue warning on Celebrex By Jennifer Rosinski Tuesday, December 7, 2004 Two Boston doctors are cautioning physicians to prescribe pain relievers called cox-2 inhibitors such as Celebrex only as a last resort in patients at risk for heart attacks.      The news comes even as a new study suggests Celebrex is not as dangerous as Vioxx, a similar drug pulled from the shelves recently.      “It’s more cautious advice,” said Dr. Axel Finckh, a rheumatology researcher at Brigham and Women’s Hospital who co-wrote an editorial on the class of drugs known as cox-2 inhibitors. “We do not really know what triggered the increased heart attack risk in patients. We felt that we cannot exclude that there is a possibility of a cox-2 class effect.”      A study by University of Pennsylvania researchers reports that Celebrex does not have the same heart attack risk as Vioxx, a cox-2 drug pulled from shelves in September after a study revealed patients doubled their risk of heart attacks and stroke if they took the drug for more than 18 months.      “Vioxx had about a threefold greater risk of heart attacks,” said Dr. Stephen Kimmel, associate professor of medicine and epidemiology and lead author of the study. “What that implies is that all cox-2 inhibitors may not be the same.”      Finckh said more research needs to be done before physicians prescribe cox-2 inhibitors to patients at risk for heart disease – unless they are at risk for gastrointestinal ills.

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That stinks!  about not being able to qualify for any program. How about free care from your hospital? As far as hair goes, I had my first chemo in April finished in June, I remember in September having enough hair it looked like a had a really bad haircut. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I can’t get any financial help thru my state, i don’t qualify for Medicaid because my husband makes just a little more than required. They have a program thru the health dept, but you have to be 40yrs or older, and i am 37.. plus you have to be diagnosed their and have all yout testing done their, and i didn’t find out about this program until after my surgery. here is some website url’s i found on the papers my oncologist gave me. http://www.cancer.gov/clinicaltrials http://www.cancer.gov/cancerinformation http://www.nsabp.pitt.edu Also, how long does it take for your hair to start growing back after chemo? Thanks! Carol

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The studies are similar.  As Tim indicated Celebrex is a cox 2 inhibitor, a nsaid (non-steroid anti-inflammatory drug) that IS in same class as VIOXX which was taken off the market, BUT same study also showed that Celebrex was relatively safe.  I called manufacturer of Celebrex (Pfizer) who assured me that it wasn’t going to be taken off the market.   My fear is/was that because of Celebrex’s anti-tumor effect that it eventually would be removed and remarketed as an anti-cancer drug at a highly exhorbitant cost–because more $$$ could be made off of it… I don’t know if that will happen but I did find it a bit curious that after the study came out, when I went to get my refill of Celebrex, that instead of getting 2 standard bottles (unopened) that is was now in a generic, 4" container which contained all 200 capsules.  The study was either done or included the health care insurer that we use.  My next thought then jumped to an analogy of what a major company does that runs hospitals.  It bought both hospitals in our community and then shut one of them down… So, will the manufacturer that showed VIOXX to be unsafe and that Celebrex was safe, eventually withdraw Celebrex (after it’s patent is up or possibly sooner under a ‘different’ study) and then remarket it as an anti-cancer drug under a different name… << Celecoxib (Celebrex) is an anti-inflammatory COX-2 inhibitor.  There might be a little question over this, as a drug of the same class – Vioxx – was recently withdrawn from long term use because of undesirable side effects, although there were indications that it was beneficial against cancer.  I presume the point of the study is to assess whether Celebrex has similar benefits and whether the side effects are significant.  <BR<BR

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I can’t get any financial help thru my state, i don’t qualify for Medicaid because my husband makes just a little more than required. They have a program thru the health dept, but you have to be 40yrs or older, and i am 37.. plus you have to be diagnosed their and have all yout testing done their, and i didn’t find out about this program until after my surgery. here is some website url’s i found on the papers my oncologist gave me. http://www.cancer.gov/clinicaltrials http://www.cancer.gov/cancerinformation http://www.nsabp.pitt.edu Also, how long does it take for your hair to start growing back after chemo? Thanks! Carol

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Many states have uninsured programs for women with breast cancer, have you checked your state’s resources? Sorry to hear you are going through all this. My hair fell out around day 22 after my first chemo. The clinical trial sounds interesting. Do you have a number so I can look it up? Thanks Alex

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a lump removed from my left breast in early October, the results came back cancerous, so the Dr removed more tissue, and my lymp nodes, they came back negative for cancer. I seen the oncologist yesterday, he has scheduled a Muga scan, and a right breast mammagram, since they didn’t do when when they took one of my left breast, and i have to let my surgeon put  a Pac placement in my chest for the chemo.. then i go back to see the oncologist on the 13th, and chemo starts the 14th. I am 37yrs old with no insurance, so he printed me papers about a clinical study program he wants me to take. It randomly picks you from 2 groups. Group 1…. Chemotherapy.. Doxorubicin & Cyclophosphamide (both drugs given at the same visit every 3 weeks for 4 visits)                 & Study Capsules…. Celecoxib or Placebo.. (one capsule taken twice a day for 3 years. Group 2….. Chemotherapy.. 5 FU & Epirubicin & Cyclophosphamide. (all 3 drugs given at the same visit every 3 weeks for 6 visits)                 & Study Capsules…. Celecoxib or Placebo. (one capsule taken twice a day for 3 years).. Does anyone know anything about any of these drugs, and will it be ok to do this trial study? Thanks for all your help.. Carol

The chemotherapies are ‘ordinary’. Doxrubicin and Cyclophosphamide is commonly known as A/C (Adriamycin being the trade name for Doxrubicin) and the other is similar to the well established CAF regime, Epirubicin (Ellence) being similar to A.  The ‘gold standard’ chemotherapy these days also includes a taxane, but both are good mainstream treatments. Celecoxib (Celebrex) is an anti-inflammatory COX-2 inhibitor.  There might be a little question over this, as a drug of the same class – Vioxx – was recently withdrawn from long term use because of undesirable side effects, although there were indications that it was beneficial against cancer.  I presume the point of the study is to assess whether Celebrex has similar benefits and whether the side effects are significant. Tim Jackson

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I had a lump removed from my left breast in early October, the results came back cancerous, so the Dr removed more tissue, and my lymp nodes, they came back negative for cancer. I seen the oncologist yesterday, he has scheduled a Muga scan, and a right breast mammagram, since they didn’t do when when they took one of my left breast, and i have to let my surgeon put  a Pac placement in my chest for the chemo.. then i go back to see the oncologist on the 13th, and chemo starts the 14th. I am 37yrs old with no insurance, so he printed me papers about a clinical study program he wants me to take. It randomly picks you from 2 groups. Group 1…. Chemotherapy.. Doxorubicin & Cyclophosphamide (both drugs given at the same visit every 3 weeks for 4 visits)                 & Study Capsules…. Celecoxib or Placebo.. (one capsule taken twice a day for 3 years. Group 2….. Chemotherapy.. 5 FU & Epirubicin & Cyclophosphamide. (all 3 drugs given at the same visit every 3 weeks for 6 visits)                 & Study Capsules…. Celecoxib or Placebo. (one capsule taken twice a day for 3 years).. Does anyone know anything about any of these drugs, and will it be ok to do this trial study? Thanks for all your help.. Carol

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talk about a bad week for the Edwards

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Elizabeth Edwards has breast cancer. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6408029/

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What terrible news.  Just when the entire family needs rest and de-stressing, they are confronted with this.  I know all our hearts go out to them. ep "Peahen" <pea…@att.net> wrote in message

news:cme1he$3q9$1@vegh.ks.cc.utah.edu… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Elizabeth Edwards has breast cancer. > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6408029/

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"Peahen" <pea…@att.net> wrote in message

news:cme1he$3q9$1@vegh.ks.cc.utah.edu… > Elizabeth Edwards has breast cancer. > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6408029/

———- And when I heard the report, my first thought was "My God, she got her needle biopsy results in *one day*!"  I had to wait 3 weeks for mine. Lotta people joining this miserable club.  Melissa Etheridge, some famous football player’s wife the other week, and now Mrs. Edwards whom I found immensely likable from her interviews. Eva

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"Eva" <EvaDStructio…@NOverizon.net> wrote in message

news:BXCid.259$hh1.180@trndny03… > "Peahen" <pea…@att.net> wrote in message > news:cme1he$3q9$1@vegh.ks.cc.utah.edu… >> Elizabeth Edwards has breast cancer. >> http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6408029/ > ———- > And when I heard the report, my first thought was "My God, she got her > needle biopsy results in *one day*!"  I had to wait 3 weeks for mine.

Yes, it pays to be high profile and wealthy. > Lotta people joining this miserable club.  Melissa Etheridge, some famous > football player’s wife the other week, and now Mrs. Edwards whom I found > immensely likable from her interviews. > Eva

I watched her host town hall discussion in Philadelphia on CSPAN a couple of weeks ago.  She was solo.  She spent no time dissing the other side.  She was warm and articulate, explaining their health care plan, economic recovery, education, the war on terrorism, and so on.  Someone told her that he learned more from her about the Democrats’ platform & positions than he had during the whole rest of the campaign. She smiled and said, "I don’t do two minute sound bites."   I said to my DH that I wished that all of the U.S. could have heard her.  He said, "That’s who should be first lady." "First lady?" I said, "I wouldn’t mind voting for her for president."  She is a smart, and very classy lady.  And strong (anybody willing to have two babies at the ages of 49 and 51 has to be brave!!) Eva, I admire all of you women who are fighting so hard against cancer.  You are as brave as anyone I know.

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"Peahen" <pea…@att.net> wrote in message

news:2v0d4aF2dj3t7U1@uni-berlin.de… > Eva, I admire all of you women who are fighting so hard against cancer. You > are as brave as anyone I know.

——– Well, thank you, but I’m not brave, myself.  I’m in a situation where I have very little choice.  Bravery has to involve some sort of decisionmaking, I think. Eva

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"Eva" <EvaDStructio…@NOverizon.net> wrote in message

news:3hDid.2556$Re1.2351@trndny05… > "Peahen" <pea…@att.net> wrote in message > news:2v0d4aF2dj3t7U1@uni-berlin.de… >> Eva, I admire all of you women who are fighting so hard against cancer. > You >> are as brave as anyone I know. > ——– > Well, thank you, but I’m not brave, myself.  I’m in a situation where I > have > very little choice.  Bravery has to involve some sort of decisionmaking, I > think. > Eva

You decided to fight it.

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"Peahen" <pea…@att.net> wrote in message

news:2v0dsgF2g8or9U1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Eva" <EvaDStructio…@NOverizon.net> wrote in message > news:3hDid.2556$Re1.2351@trndny05… > > "Peahen" <pea…@att.net> wrote in message > > news:2v0d4aF2dj3t7U1@uni-berlin.de… > >> Eva, I admire all of you women who are fighting so hard against cancer. > > You > >> are as brave as anyone I know. > > ——– > > Well, thank you, but I’m not brave, myself.  I’m in a situation where I > > have > > very little choice.  Bravery has to involve some sort of decisionmaking, I > > think. > You decided to fight it.

——— Only other option would have been suicide, though! Eva

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"Eva" <EvaDStructio…@NOverizon.net> wrote in message

news:BXCid.259$hh1.180@trndny03… > "Peahen" <pea…@att.net> wrote in message > news:cme1he$3q9$1@vegh.ks.cc.utah.edu… > > Elizabeth Edwards has breast cancer. > > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6408029/ > ———- > And when I heard the report, my first thought was "My God, she got her > needle biopsy results in *one day*!"  I had to wait 3 weeks for mine.

My husband’s aunt got her needle biopsy results the same day, here in Scotland on the NHS.   She had a lumpectomy three weeks later and is now fully recovered from the follow up chemo.  Two more years and she’ll be "cleared". — Jette Goldie je…@blueyonder.co.uk Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you still can’t help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

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Wow Eva, You had to wait 3weeks for your results? That’s bad. Mine were back within a week. I’m in the UK though, are you in the US? But I thought that the US were way ahead of us with regards to medical issues? Maybe not! Shaz x "Eva" <EvaDStructio…@NOverizon.net> wrote in message

news:BXCid.259$hh1.180@trndny03… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Peahen" <pea…@att.net> wrote in message > news:cme1he$3q9$1@vegh.ks.cc.utah.edu… > > Elizabeth Edwards has breast cancer. > > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6408029/ > ———- > And when I heard the report, my first thought was "My God, she got her > needle biopsy results in *one day*!"  I had to wait 3 weeks for mine. > Lotta people joining this miserable club.  Melissa Etheridge, some famous > football player’s wife the other week, and now Mrs. Edwards whom I found > immensely likable from her interviews. > Eva

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Mrs. Edwards held a great town hall meeting in Harrisburg with answers to questions which showed that she did connect with families travails. That being said, John Edwards was a very successful trial lawyer who litigated some medical malpractice.  Successfully. I had to ask my breast surgeon to schedule a needle biopsy for me.  Turned out to be a harmless growth, but I’m not sure what my alternatives were. Course, this was 11 years ago and protocols have changed since then.

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I also waited a few days for the results (U.S.).  Three weeks *is* a long time.  Would do a number on one’s nerves, IMO. Cathy "shaz" <nospamcall.s…@ntlworld.com> wrote in message

news:wDMid.128$3R4.7@newsfe1-win.ntli.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wow Eva, > You had to wait 3weeks for your results? That’s bad. Mine were back within a > week. I’m in the UK though, are you in the US? But I thought that the US > were way ahead of us with regards to medical issues? Maybe not! > Shaz x > "Eva" <EvaDStructio…@NOverizon.net> wrote in message > news:BXCid.259$hh1.180@trndny03… > > "Peahen" <pea…@att.net> wrote in message > > news:cme1he$3q9$1@vegh.ks.cc.utah.edu… > > > Elizabeth Edwards has breast cancer. > > > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6408029/ > > ———- > > And when I heard the report, my first thought was "My God, she got her > > needle biopsy results in *one day*!"  I had to wait 3 weeks for mine. > > Lotta people joining this miserable club.  Melissa Etheridge, some famous > > football player’s wife the other week, and now Mrs. Edwards whom I found > > immensely likable from her interviews. > > Eva > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 – Release Date: 11/1/04

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It did a number on my nerves just waiting the 7days, I couldn’t imagine having to wait 3 whole weeks!! IMO I think it should be a couple of days wait maximum and even then your nerves would be shattered! I think the whole system, in the States and here in the UK could do with a major overhaul regarding these test results and the amount of time it takes to recieve them. Well that’s just wait I think anyhow! Eva, Keep feeling positive, it’s the only way to go! Shaz x "Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message

news:2v2c9aF2fh12nU1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I also waited a few days for the results (U.S.).  Three weeks *is* a long > time.  Would do a number on one’s nerves, IMO. > Cathy > "shaz" <nospamcall.s…@ntlworld.com> wrote in message > news:wDMid.128$3R4.7@newsfe1-win.ntli.net… > > Wow Eva, > > You had to wait 3weeks for your results? That’s bad. Mine were back within > a > > week. I’m in the UK though, are you in the US? But I thought that the US > > were way ahead of us with regards to medical issues? Maybe not! > > Shaz x > > "Eva" <EvaDStructio…@NOverizon.net> wrote in message > > news:BXCid.259$hh1.180@trndny03… > > > "Peahen" <pea…@att.net> wrote in message > > > news:cme1he$3q9$1@vegh.ks.cc.utah.edu… > > > > Elizabeth Edwards has breast cancer. > > > > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6408029/ > > > ———- > > > And when I heard the report, my first thought was "My God, she got her > > > needle biopsy results in *one day*!"  I had to wait 3 weeks for mine. > > > Lotta people joining this miserable club.  Melissa Etheridge, some > famous > > > football player’s wife the other week, and now Mrs. Edwards whom I found > > > immensely likable from her interviews. > > > Eva > > — > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 – Release Date: 11/1/04

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"Breast cancer study will analyze sisters"

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Breast cancer study will analyze sisters A new national clinical trial will probe genetic and environmental causes of breast cancer by studying 50,000 sisters of women already diagnosed with the disease that is the second-leading cancer killer of women. at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041018-103750-5960r.htm

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Mike, thanks for posting this article and the link.  This could be a ground-breaking study.   Janice A. Stage IV Metastatic Breast CA

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Black women with breast cancer…

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MONDAY, Aug. 9 (HealthDayNews) — Black women with breast cancer are four times more likely than white women with breast cancer to have mutations in a gene known to help suppress tumors, new research shows. Read more http://healthblog.womensdrugstore.com/breastblog.htm

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MONDAY, Aug. 9 (HealthDayNews) — Black women with breast cancer are four times more likely than white women with breast cancer to have mutations in a gene known to help suppress tumors, new research shows. Read more http://healthblog.womensdrugstore.com/breastblog.htm Thank you for this site. There was sooo much info on this site. I found the videos about some of the trial things very interesting. Here was one on Heating the breast that I found  ..There is a lot of stuff to listen to…Pat From Apple Valley, CA

http://www.healthscout.com/video/1/1922/main.html

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Upbeat Update

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Things are looking pretty good from here. My wife completed the last of her ebrt yesterday, at the same time my  Dr. said it was time to sit down with the rad. onc. and discuss brachytherapy after four months of Lupron to reduce the size of my prostate (60cm). Since this all began in Dec. 03, with no prior health problems, I was dx’d with pca, my wife was dx’d with breast cancer had surgery and the follow up ebrt, in the interim, I had chest pains that led to a catherization and the discovery of a pretty severe blockage on the right side, left side not too bad. As it’s been said about cancer " if you must have it, pca is probably the lesser of the evils, and so it goes with arterial blockages, better the right side than the left. The down side is that with the heart meds, no "vitamin V" or its competitors is allowed, we’ll work through that! I guess what I’m saying is that from day to day, your perspective changes, first it was my pca, then it was my wife and her breast cancer (much more life threatening than pca), then my heart condition (forgot all about the pca) and focused on my wife. All seems to be going in the right direction for now and my wife is urging me to complete my current project and think about retiring. Tom

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Hello Tom,     What a tough road to hoe?     I was in several cancer groups during my 1st surgery in 1999.  It is very hard on women with knowledge of breast cancer. Men can get by, and then not.  It is heads and tails. Yes, prospectives change as well as weather.  What about a pump?     If you can retire, and put your energy with your wife and such, do it! It may be the best choice you ever made. Good wishes, and give your wife the biggest hug she ever had. John Loomis/ Still hugging my wife.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Things are looking pretty good from here. My wife completed the last of her ebrt yesterday, at the same time my  Dr. said it was time to sit down with the rad. onc. and discuss brachytherapy after four months of Lupron to reduce the size of my prostate (60cm). Since this all began in Dec. 03, with no prior health problems, I was dx’d with pca, my wife was dx’d with breast cancer had surgery and the follow up ebrt, in the interim, I had chest pains that led to a catherization and the discovery of a pretty severe blockage on the right side, left side not too bad. As it’s been said about cancer " if you must have it, pca is probably the lesser of the evils, and so it goes with arterial blockages, better the right side than the left. The down side is that with the heart meds, no "vitamin V" or its competitors is allowed, we’ll work through that! I guess what I’m saying is that from day to day, your perspective changes, first it was my pca, then it was my wife and her breast cancer (much more life threatening than pca), then my heart condition (forgot all about the pca) and focused on my wife. All seems to be going in the right direction for now and my wife is urging me to complete my current project and think about retiring. Tom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Things are looking pretty good from here. My wife completed the last of her ebrt yesterday, at the same time my  Dr. said it was time to sit down with the rad. onc. and discuss brachytherapy after four months of Lupron to reduce the size of my prostate (60cm). Since this all began in Dec. 03, with no prior health problems, I was dx’d with pca, my wife was dx’d with breast cancer had surgery and the follow up ebrt, in the interim, I had chest pains that led to a catherization and the discovery of a pretty severe blockage on the right side, left side not too bad. As it’s been said about cancer " if you must have it, pca is probably the lesser of the evils, and so it goes with arterial blockages, better the right side than the left. The down side is that with the heart meds, no "vitamin V" or its competitors is allowed, we’ll work through that! I guess what I’m saying is that from day to day, your perspective changes, first it was my pca, then it was my wife and her breast cancer (much more life threatening than pca), then my heart condition (forgot all about the pca) and focused on my wife. All seems to be going in the right direction for now and my wife is urging me to complete my current project and think about retiring. Tom

Tom, I understand your feelings. While my wife does not have life-threatening cancer, she does have other maladies and sometimes she and I just commiserate together. She had Crohn’s Disease, Ankylosing Spondylitis, Fibromyalgia, had had both hips replaced, has plates in her ankle, had a hysterectomy to ward off uterine cancer, and osteoarthritis in her neck. She does well and I am amazed at her courage. Unlike you, I cannot consider retirement as  yet. I am 57 (soon to be 58) and keeping insurance on both of us is a priority right now. We have excellent coverage w/ Blue Cross/Blue Shield (EPO Plan) and I consider myself fortunate having a good paying job right now. My wishes are for you both to have a speedy recovery and hope the best of health for you  both. And hang in there! Philski

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Breast Cancer Question

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Hi everyone. This is my first post. First I would like to say I have been giving myself breast exams since 13, I am now 25.  But I recently noticed my breast are leaking. Most of the time it is only when I am examined them. But every once in a while they leak without any contact. So my question is, for anyone who has info on this matter. Is this a sign of breast cancer? Does anything else cause this? (I am NOT pregnant) I have been going to several websites concerning cancer. Some say its normal. Others tell me its a sign! I want to know what I am up against before seeing my doctor.  I would really appreciate some insight. Thanks!!!

http://www.imaginis.com/breasthealth/benign.asp <there’s a whole section there on nipple discharge Up to 20% of women may experience spontaneous milky, opalescent, or clear fluid nipple discharge. During breast self-exam, fluid may normally be expressed from the breasts of 50% to 60% of Caucasian (White) and African-American women and 40% of Asian-American women. Usually, a discharge that is clear, milky, yellow, or green, and is noted from both nipples, is not associated with breast cancer. Women should report persistent nipple discharge to their doctors for analysis. To examine nipple discharge, a small amount of the fluid is placed on glass slides under a microscope to determine if cancer cells are present. that would be put your mind at ease J

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Hi everyone. This is my first post. First I would like to say I have been giving myself breast exams since 13, I am now 25.  But I recently noticed my breast are leaking. Most of the time it is only when I am examined them. But every once in a while they leak without any contact. So my question is, for anyone who has info on this matter. Is this a sign of breast cancer? Does anything else cause this? (I am NOT pregnant) I have been going to several websites concerning cancer. Some say its normal. Others tell me its a sign! I want to know what I am up against before seeing my doctor.  I would really appreciate some insight. Thanks!!!

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