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unoffical question of the day – August 29, 2007

admin — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:00:00 +0000

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Likewise, I got to thinking about what is really going on under all the symptoms of those with anxiety disorders. What do you think the real issues are in people with anxiety disorders? What is really going on in us, hidden under all our symptoms? Chip great question, chip!! i know there are things buried deep within me that i am afraid of, but i can’t put my finger on them somehow. i often think these may be behind my anxiety condition. they may be fears about abandonment and rejection but i can’t tell for sure. maybe i need a few years of good old-fashioned freudian psychoanalysis to unearth them. ;o)

Huh, that’s interesting TJ. You’re making me think. Thanks, I "think". kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I watched a TV show this morning about 3 young women who had body dysmorphic disorder. They looked attractive and pretty to me, but each thought they had physical defects and "weren’t perfect enough". They felt so badly about their appearance that they tended to stay away from other people. One of them spent several hours per day staring into a mirror to observe her perceived imperfections. Another had 5 plastic surgeries even though she was still a teen. A common theme in all 3 women was perceived imperfections in their body, obsessing, worry, anxiety, and depression and sadness. And marked interference with their functioning. All they could focus on was their symptoms. Which got me to thinking about what was really going on in their minds underneath all those symptoms. Likewise, I got to thinking about what is really going on under all the symptoms of those with anxiety disorders. What do you think the real issues are in people with anxiety disorders? What is really going on in us, hidden under all our symptoms? Chip

I can only speak for me. I believe that such things as perfectionistic expectations came from living with someone who expected more of me than I could give.. perfect feelings toward her. (My mom).. she shunned any emotions I had that she would label "bad" – if I was angry with her, I would be shamed – so I kind of fell into the habit of disallowing my own true feelings and stuffing them. That’s my current theory anyway. I’m learning to search myself now and to at least uncover what lead me to this point of fear. Anxiety is fear – and fear is the flight in fight or flight.. and there must be a cause for wanting the flight. In digging through my own feelings, I’ve found that both my anxiety and other problems stem from other people sick as well..people I love, but people that were ill and hurt me. Sometimes underlying my fears is anger…and once I find anger I just forgive them..and lying under all that is the actual hurtful event. Funny you should ask this question as I was just delving into searching it within myself.. but I only speak for me, unsure of the universality of all of this. I think it may be a common denominator, most of us were abused in someway by someone, or had an anxious, frightened person we later modeled our own thinking after.. and the genetic components, I can’t speak to that. I wonder if anxiety is like depression in that doctors don’t know if depressive thoughts cause brain chemistry or vice versa or either causes the other.. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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What do you think the real issues are in people with anxiety disorders? What is really going on in us, hidden under all our symptoms?

I’m not sure there is a "real" issue. It’s not necessarily related to childhood. I have more problems than people I know who had worse. We just have overactive nervous systems. That was probably was what made some childhood stuff more difficult to take. Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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great question, chip!! i know there are things buried deep within me that i am afraid of, but i can’t put my finger on them somehow. i often think these may be behind my anxiety condition. they may be fears about abandonment and rejection but i can’t tell for sure. maybe i need a few years of good old-fashioned freudian psychoanalysis to unearth them. ;o)

I had several years of that sort of thing, and I don’t recommend it. Later I had a CBT therapist who said that it just made me do more obsessing – and that makes a lot of sense to me! Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I was shy as a little boy. (and I’m shy as a big boy, come to think of it). I was criticized alot by my father till he died at age 85. My ex-wife sensed my vulnerability and went for the jugular because she had her own problems. I helped her turn into a witch. All the criticism I received (much of it from myself) HURT REALLY BADLY, because I’m so sensitive. I was emotionally abused and didn’t even know it. Cause I figured I had it coming. I don’t take shit from anyone anymore. If I get it from someone, there will be payback. (yeah, I’m angrey) Angrey cause I put up with so much abuse and didn’t stand up for myself. And yeah, I can overdo the payback bit. I’m a perfectionist cause if you’re perfect no one can criticize you (in theory). And you can’t get hurt. Hurt like I was in the past. If you don’t do things perfectly, you could make a mistake, and some unexpected consequence could occur. If you don’t have enough self-confidence, you are afraid you may not be able to handle the situation. (just one more reason to be perfect ) Whether the words of someone else can hurt me depend on my own self-esteem. If I have good self esteem, I can say to myself "so what? I don’t care what you think. What I think is important". But when your self esteem is low, you *depend* alot on how others treat you. You make them your judges, instead of judging yourself. As far as genetics, hereditary components, hard-waring of the nervous they’re not the whole picture IMO. Just a part of a bigger picture that also has to do with how one is raised, how one is treated, the coping skills one is taught, what kind of emotional or physical trauma one undergoes, etc. The so-called biopsychosocial model of the mind. And there may be other factors unaware to mankind at this time. Alot of the stuff going on in the mind is subconscious, so it’s hard to know what is going on, unless we start looking for clues. Unless we start speculating as to what might be going on. Or if you are undergoing cognitive or behavior theory, some of the underlying problems can bubble to the surface and become apparant as a result of the *actions* you take, or as a result of lookng at the way you think, and changing the way you think. What are some of the themes in anxiety disorders? Hereditary factors. Dependence on others. Feeling inadequate. Low self esteem. Attempts at perfectionism. Prior or current stress. Prior psychological or physical trauma. Prior criticism. Overconcern with what others think. Oversensitivity. Fear of one’s own emotions. Lack of touch with one’s own emotions. I don’t know what it all boils down to. When you have a panic attack all you can think of is getting off the freeway, how long will the attack last, whether you’ll have a heart attack, and whether you’ll lose your mind and stay in a state of panic. You don’t think about, say, getting out of the trap your life has become, how to become more mature and independant, and how to free yourself of all your hangups. You don’t think "I’m safe because I’m Chip…..and Chip can take care of himself" Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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image is a pshychological disorder similar to anorexia distortions except the symptoms and outcome are not the same. Where the focus is on looks, I think its a profound distortion, an exagerration and obsession of having to look perfect which would lead to loss of self esteem and self image because they don’t think they are perfect enough and no matter what they do to look better it is never good enough. I think it could leave to physical illness eventually if its not treated successfully. Its like those women you see on TV who constantly have plastic surgery even when it becomes dangerous to their health. I also think it involves a self hatred due to something that happened to them or whatever. They need a psychiatrist who is skilled in that kind of disorder and seems to be hard to treat. When someone is constantly worried how they look, and has so much self criticism, much anxiety and depression and sadness would surely follow and definitely interfere a great deal with their functioning in life. How could it not? I used to know a girl who was pretty and very nice but she criticized her looks noticeably often. I was always amazed when she said this. She went to another job and a couple of years later, I heard she died of breast cancer. She was only around 45. Mary — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Likewise, I got to thinking about what is really going on under all the symptoms of those with anxiety disorders. What do you think the real issues are in people with anxiety disorders? What is really going on in us, hidden under all our symptoms? Chip

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I watched a TV show this morning about 3 young women who had body dysmorphic disorder. They looked attractive and pretty to me, but each thought they had physical defects and "weren’t perfect enough". They felt so badly about their appearance that they tended to stay away from other people. One of them spent several hours per day staring into a mirror to observe her perceived imperfections. Another had 5 plastic surgeries even though she was still a teen. A common theme in all 3 women was perceived imperfections in their body, obsessing, worry, anxiety, and depression and sadness. And marked interference with their functioning. All they could focus on was their symptoms. Which got me to thinking about what was really going on in their minds underneath all those symptoms. Likewise, I got to thinking about what is really going on under all the symptoms of those with anxiety disorders. What do you think the real issues are in people with anxiety disorders? What is really going on in us, hidden under all our symptoms? Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Long term lately

admin — Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:00:00 +0000

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Been so depressed, feel like i’m disappearing as a person, don’t know how to describe it differently. Just time passing, and waiting to die. Feel no connection to anything or anyone anymore. Anyone ever have that feeling ? Like they’re just disappearing ? Have moments of distraction, but no real life left in me. Feels like i’m fighting genes and nature, and immutable laws, and only gets tougher as get older. Sorry, bad morning. Stressful month to say the least

I’ve been there, done that. I’m currently waiting for a diagnosis of breast cancer and am almost hoping I have it so that I’m at the end of my road. I know that sounds terrible, but I’m completely familiar with the feelings you’re describing. What I hate to hear from people when I feel like this is, "Oh, cheer up, it will get better!" Oh, bite me. What I want to hear is validation from others that they feel like that too. I understand. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Feels like i’m fighting genes and nature, and immutable laws, and only gets tougher as get older.

Yeah, I feel that way too. The good news is, we can sleep for about a third of the time. :-/ Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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You are not alone my friend. I sometimes just want to give up the fight and die. Anxiety and Panic Disorder have created havoc in my life the past 20 years but you must never give up. You are right about this monster getting worse as we age. Carl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Been so depressed, feel like i’m disappearing as a person, don’t know how to describe it differently. Just time passing, and waiting to die. Feel no connection to anything or anyone anymore. Anyone ever have that feeling ? Like they’re just disappearing ? Have moments of distraction, but no real life left in me. Feels like i’m fighting genes and nature, and immutable laws, and only gets tougher as get older. Sorry, bad morning. Stressful month to say the least — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Been so depressed, feel like i’m disappearing as a person, don’t know ::how to describe it differently. :: ::Just time passing, and waiting to die. Feel no connection to anything ::or anyone anymore. :: ::Anyone ever have that feeling ? Like they’re just disappearing ? Dear Paul, I understand what you are going through. Been there myself. I`m really sorry you are having such a crappy month. Don`t ever give up. I didn`t give up and my life is better for it. Wishing you peace from your suffering and healing from your pain. Jackie ~*~Would you respect my mind more if it bounced gently when I walked?~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Paul, I hope things are getting better for you. Deirdre, I really like your "basic set of tools for getting out of that space". I’m going to take that advice and get the hell out of here. I’m going to try to go out sailing w/my friend and his wife tomorrow! — Doug

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Oh wait — I can’t. Oh well — have fun Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I have been in that place more times than I can count, but I’m still here. My basic set of tools for getting out of that space: *talking* to therapist, doctor, friends — every day, as often as necessary *writing*: journal, random thoughts, a letter to an old friend, email *sunlight and fresh air* — even if you don’t actually go outside, sitting beside an open window helps; however, going outside is better, even if it’s just to stand on the sidewalk for a minute or two, breathe the air, examine the sky. *mindfulness exercises* — to sharpen your senses. If you need specifics on these just ask. and most of all, *music*. For me, the best therapeutic music is from my younger days, songs I haven’t heard in a long time, songs that make me smile and stand up and stretch. Or dance, if I’m not too stiff. Even if I feel I have the energy for only ONE of these activities, it’s okay — doing SOMETHING feels better than doing NOTHING, even though doing nothing is easier. Just make yourself do ONE thing. Just one. No long list of to-do’s. No schedule. Just one thing. If that feels good, maybe tomorrow you can do it again, or do something else, or maybe two things. I do understand. There are days when getting out of bed is the hardest thing I can imagine. Those are the days when my "one thing" is getting out of bed. By the way — it doesn’t much matter which "one thing" you choose. There’s a Neil Young song that has this line, which I love to quote, and which is pertinent to your situation: If you don’t really know where you want to go It makes no difference Which road you take (At first glance that verse seems depressing — but really it’s very hopeful. You’ve got a whole roadmap full of choices, and any one of them is GOOD.) Thus endeth my 2 cents. I’d love to hear about what you choose to do. Sending you courage, Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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OT: Sleep Apnea

admin — Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:00:00 +0000

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Don’t worry too much. Worryng will make you feel afraid, and even afraid of being worried, so distract yourself with other tasks and don’t take too much trouble about all this until you see your practicioner. If you are on BZ’s be a little more careful though. Anyway, it gonna be okay (after all, is not breast cancer, is it?).

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I just made an appointment with my GP. I suspect that I have Sleep Apnea. My wife says I sometimes stop breathing in my sleep, I snore loudly and I’m tired all the time. What action will my GP take in reguards to this. I read up on it and apparantly it’s got something to do with ab-normal heart rhythm. Which is a little worrying! — "We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts." – Buddha in the Dhammapada – ChrisC

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Opinions about DRE

admin — Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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"Steve Kramer" wrote Nick, DRE’s are uncomfortable, but an absolute necessity in screening for PCa. PSA and DRE go hand-in-hand. Find a doc that doesn’t mind getting his finger dirty.

Even better, find one who uses a GLOVE. SHEESH! ;-) I.P.

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"Steve Kramer" wrote Nick, DRE’s are uncomfortable, but an absolute necessity in screening for PCa. PSA and DRE go hand-in-hand. Find a doc that doesn’t mind getting his finger dirty. Even better, find one who uses a GLOVE. SHEESH! ;-)

Excellent idea! I’ll pass that onto my uro.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Steve Kramer" wrote Nick, DRE’s are uncomfortable, but an absolute necessity in screening for PCa. PSA and DRE go hand-in-hand. Find a doc that doesn’t mind getting his finger dirty. Even better, find one who uses a GLOVE. SHEESH! ;-) Excellent idea! I’ll pass that onto my uro.

Heh! Buddy of mine told the urologist, "If I feel two hands on my back, you’re dead!"

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My PCP is an internist and has yet to do a DRE during an annual physical. When queried about this he said that the PSA is a reliable enough indicator. He did send me to a Uro when my PSA took a bump. Fortunately, and two biopsies later, it proved to be a false alarm. That being said, my friend, age 60, was just diagnosed with PCa after a biopsy. His PSA was 1.8 but the doc felt something on the DRE. My thoughts are that I may need a different PCP. I believe that it may be time for a change but I’d like to get some other informed opinions on this issue and I can’t think of a better place than this to elicit them. Your comments would be most welcome.

Reminds me that as a younger man, my primary was a very young cardiologist, that took over the practice from my old time internist. He also told me that a PSA was enough and no DRE was needed. My now doc is an old timer that insisted on a DRE even though I told him I didn’t have a prostate anymore. I wonder if the younger guys are somehow a bit shy about the procedure? — "I’m not pompous and agrogant, I’m SNARKY" JK Sinrod Sinrod Stained Glass Studios www.sinrodstudios.com Coney Island Memories www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

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Nick, DRE’s are uncomfortable, but an absolute necessity in screening for PCa. PSA and DRE go hand-in-hand. Find a doc that doesn’t mind getting his finger dirty.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My PCP is an internist and has yet to do a DRE during an annual physical. When queried about this he said that the PSA is a reliable enough indicator. He did send me to a Uro when my PSA took a bump. Fortunately, and two biopsies later, it proved to be a false alarm. That being said, my friend, age 60, was just diagnosed with PCa after a biopsy. His PSA was 1.8 but the doc felt something on the DRE. My thoughts are that I may need a different PCP. I believe that it may be time for a change but I’d like to get some other informed opinions on this issue and I can’t think of a better place than this to elicit them. Your comments would be most welcome.

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Maybe he don’t like doing DREs. Find another doc. —

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I was a bit surprised to be invited to "assume the position" with my urologist, after having had the RRP. As he explained to me, he was looking for nothing and hoped to find it as he examined the prostate bed. Two weeks ago I had my annual physical and my GP – who is quite aware of my PCa history as he is the gent who raised the alarm and sent me off to the urologist – performed a DRE even though he knew I’d been recently examined by the urologist. His explanation is that prostate trouble is not the only problem which can be diagnosed (at least partially) via the DRE. So…. (dare I say it? What the hell!) "Grin and bear it!"

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Nicky, DRE is much needed – my PCa was detected by DRE while my PSA was 0.5. In my opinion a PSA test alone is not sufficient – you need a "talented finger" to feel your prostate. My PCP did not like what he felt and sent me to a Urologist. What came next was a DRE, TRUS biopsy, then prostatectomy. It is your body and your life – insist on DRE during annual physical. I am glad I did. Good Luck, Sammy J. Hutcheson PCa 5/2000

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I’ve only been a member here for about a week, and I’ll share my story soon. But I wanted to pass along a link to the American Cancer Society cancer detection guidelines that indicate the PSA and DRE should be performed — they are complimentary tests. Other groups suggest the combo as well. And a normal DRE should not forgive an abnormal PSA, and a normal PSA should not forgive an abnormal DRE. Same thing with mammograms and breast lumps in women. http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_2_3X_ACS_Cancer_Detecti… I would ask any physician who does not do a rectal exam as part of a routine annual physical whether he thinks that screening for colorectal cancer might be another indication for a rectal exam, at which time a stool specimen could be checked for the presence of blood. Colorectal cancer is the third leading cause of cancer in men and the third leading cause of cancer death in men. Even though a urologist is probably more adept at performing a DRE than a primary care doc, I’m not willing to forego a rectal exam by my physician just because he may be less experienced — an abnormal exam is an abnormal exam, regardless of who finds it. There is no substitute for a complete physical exam, regardless of the number of blood and urine tests and x-rays and other scans we might get. We must be our own health care advocates. Be well guys.

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My PCP is an internist and has yet to do a DRE during an annual physical. Your comments would be most welcome.

I’ve had the government up my butt so much that the DRE is a Ho-Humm.

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I think your doctor is right most of the time. Most men with cancer will experience a rising PSA before there is anything that can be felt in a DRE. However, as your friend demonstrated, there can be exceptions. The DRE is a cheap and easy test, so most doctors do it. However I have to also say that most doctors probably can’t tell the difference between a prostate with no tumor and a prostate that has a tumor. A typical general practitioner may do hundreds of DRE’s, but has never had the opportunity to do them carefully on men that are known to have cancer and compare what he felt to what showed up on an ultrasound, x-ray, or MRI test. So you could switch to another doctor who does DREs, and still not be any better off. The first urologist I saw, a man who should have been an expert at doing DREs found nothing on mine, although two different radiation oncologists who examined me a month later did find a tumor – both in the same spot. They later pinpointed it exactly with an MRI. The same problem occurs with breast exams for women. Studies have shown that most doctors just don’t have the focused experience to be able to perform a breast exam correctly and diagnose what they find. If I were you I would consider this behavior by your doctor to be a bit suboptimal but not wildly so. It may not, by itself, be grounds for switching doctors. Unfortunately, really competent doctors who keep up with their studies and think hard about their patients are in somewhat short supply. Alan

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My Man to Man group recommends that for the DRE and PSA monitoring men should use their urologist. That makes a lot of sense. My wife’s new PCP, a young guy, doesnt do the pelvic exam her former PCP did. He’s part of a medical group, and I assume he expects my wife to use the GYN doc for that. Also makes sense to me. However, it is more expensive that way. But not by that much when you consider what’s at risk.

Problem is, most men do not routinely see a Urologist unless they are having urological problems. Many insurance plans require that covered routine physicals and screenings be performed by a Primary Care Physician, not a Specialist. Incidentally, insurance companies also generally recognize Gynecologists as Primary Care Physicians. — JerryW Please respond to newsgroup; email address is fake 2/11/04 PSA 2.6, Suspicious DRE (age 62) 2/23/04 Biopsy: Gleason 3+4=7, T2a, left lobe 5/18/04 RRP, Path: Gleason 4+3=7, T2c, both lobes 7/13/04 PSA <0.1 10/12/04 PSA <0.1 1/18/05 PSA <0.1 4/26/05 PSA <0.1 10/13/05 PSA <0.1

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Not all PCA has a high PSA, plus DRE screens for rectal cancer too. Ergo I expect it. Steve U

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Nicky, My PCP is a female Family Practitioner. My PSA was 2.6 in February 2003, and again in February 2004. During my annual physical in February 2004, my doctor as usual did a DRE and felt an irregularity on the prostrate. She sent me to a Urologist, and well, you can see from my signature that I did have cancer. If it had not been for the suspicious DRE, I might not have been diagnosed nearly as soon as I was. At the time, 2.6 was not considered unusually high for someone my age. Most Urologists now would probably consider this reading marginally high for a 62-year-old. I would be concerned if you are 50 years of age, or older, and your physician is not doing both tests at least annually. We have heard of many cases where PCa was suspected on the basis of DRE alone, without a necessarily high PSA, and later confirmed by biopsy. — JerryW Respond to Newsgroup; email address is fake 2/11/04 PSA 2.6, Suspicious DRE (age 62) 2/23/04 Biopsy: Gleason 3+4=7, T2a, left lobe 5/18/04 RRP, Path: Gleason 4+3=7, T2c, both lobes 7/13/04 PSA <0.1 10/12/04 PSA <0.1 1/18/05 PSA <0.1 4/26/05 PSA <0.1 10/13/05 PSA <0.1

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"NickySantoro" … My PCP is an internist and has yet to do a DRE during an annual physical. . . . Your comments would be most welcome.

Your story implies three things to me: 1. Your PCP is shy about DREs, 2. He hasn’t the experience to recognize a marginal DRE anomaly, and 3. He’s not as informed as he should be about PCa screening. I’d ask him to explain all three concerns if he’s otherwise impressive — but always wonder what OTHER chapters he slept through in med school . . . and start shopping for another PCP. Or are you 25 years old, which might skew his advice? I.P.

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: My PCP is an internist and has yet to do a DRE during an annual : physical. When queried about this he said that the PSA is a reliable : enough indicator. He did send me to a Uro when my PSA took a bump. : Fortunately, and two biopsies later, it proved to be a false alarm. : That being said, my friend, age 60, was just diagnosed with PCa after : a biopsy. His PSA was 1.8 but the doc felt something on the DRE. : My thoughts are that I may need a different PCP. I believe that it may : be time for a change but I’d like to get some other informed opinions : on this issue and I can’t think of a better place than this to elicit : them. Your comments would be most welcome. The DRE, never welcome, is the first thing I think any competent physician should perform. If he or she is at all experienced he will detect any unusual lumps or bumps on the surface of the prostate capsule and make a recommendation from there. He may suggest that a PSA be taken, especially if the patient is around 50 (some say even lower). Ideally, none of this antigen will be found in the bloodstream because it’s supposed to be a "closed system," and the equipment used to detect it is quite sensitive. As a man ages, some leakage will occur, even if cancer is not present (or detectable). Unfortunately, very high PSA levels usually have no noticeable effect on the individual but leakage is taking place and that indicates a rupture, which is indicative that something is "eating" its way through, and that something is probably cancer. I am not a physician, but I am a PCa survivor (4+ years now) and these comments are offered for what they’re worth. Ken Bland

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Hutch to help study cancer-sleep apnea link

admin — Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Hutch to help study cancer-sleep apnea link

Go back to sleep and die, you fat, hairy spammer!

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Hutch to help study cancer-sleep apnea link By Warren King Seattle Times medical reporter Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center scientists will help lead a national study on the link between two of the nation’s major health problems

No More Hope [OT]

admin — Tue, 06 Sep 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Kili, Purrs and prayers that your cousin is found safe as well. Kate. Owned by Fudge, Caramel & Meg http://www.geocities.com/kate_dunn/miaow.html

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Kili, Purrs and prayers that your cousin is found safe as well. Kate. Owned by Fudge, Caramel & Meg http://www.geocities.com/kate_dunn/miaow.html

Thanks, Kate. My Aunt and Uncle have their fingers crossed. She’s a mother of two teenagers. kili

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Kili, I am hitting myself over the head for allowing myself to get drawn into a political rant when your family is suffering, too. I am so sorry– the whole situation makes many of us just crazy. Big purrs and prayers for your family. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just can’t hold on to hope any longer. It seems my home town, Chalmette (in St. Bernard Parish) has been totally neglected in favor of New Orleans (and the minimal help *they* have been given). It makes me want to put my fist through the television when Jesse Jackson and other black activists say that the poor black people of New Orleans are being discriminated against when St. Bernard Parish has been written off as just gone (never mind that there are still people trapped on roofs and in attics that are still (barely) alive)! Oh, I am in full agreement with you! Jesse Jackson has the effrontery to say that to call the refugees, "refugees" implies bigotry. WHAT IN THE HELL? Refugee implies a person seeking refuge. This means white people, black people, Asian, Mexican – all from that area.

And they are American. Refugee implies a person seeking refuse from another country. There are many different races still stuck in their homes with no food or water. Why are they making this a BLACK issue? I don’t get it. I just don’t get it. My WHITE cousin is still missing. She was just diagnosed with breast cancer and was supposed to undergo chemo this week. She lives in Metairie just outside of New Orleans. Where are the crews to help her, if supposedly the crews are only helping WHITE people? I hate that people are insinuating help didn’t arrive sooner because the ones most afflicted were poor and black. Let’s not put race on this, please. Jeesh.

You are so ignorant, it’s appalling. Why do you think the government was so slow to help in the first place? What do you think the response would be if this was Kennebunkport, The Hamptons, or even Long Island? These people are seen as expendable by our government. They have been for a long, long time. The Rupublican party better bend over and kiss their rich lily white asses bye-bye. They’re dead, and they can than Katrina for making it happen. -L.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just can’t hold on to hope any longer. It seems my home town, Chalmette (in St. Bernard Parish) has been totally neglected in favor of New Orleans (and the minimal help *they* have been given). It makes me want to put my fist through the television when Jesse Jackson and other black activists say that the poor black people of New Orleans are being discriminated against when St. Bernard Parish has been written off as just gone (never mind that there are still people trapped on roofs and in attics that are still (barely) alive)! I just got off the phone with the Red Cross and the names of my missing family and friends are still not listed in any of the evacuation centers scattered across the country. I would appreciate purrs and prayers for the souls of my bother and his family, my best friend of 45 years and her family, and everyone else who lost their lives in this disaster. Hugs, CatNipped

I’m so sorry, Lori. This was a horrible, horrible disaster. God watch over every poor soul in New Orleans who could not get out in time before the storm. (((CatNipped))) Melissa

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SNIP Thanks, Kate. My Aunt and Uncle have their fingers crossed. She’s a mother of two teenagers. kili

Kili, I hope your cousin will be found safe and well and SOON. My three are on extra heavy purr patrol. Melissa

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kili, Purrs and prayers that your cousin is found safe as well. Kate. Owned by Fudge, Caramel & Meg http://www.geocities.com/kate_dunn/miaow.html Thanks, Kate. My Aunt and Uncle have their fingers crossed. She’s a mother of two teenagers. kili Kili, I am hitting myself over the head for allowing myself to get drawn into a political rant when your family is suffering, too. I am so sorry– the whole situation makes many of us just crazy. Big purrs and prayers for your family.

Don’t hit yourself over the head! We don’t need any more injured people in this country.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just can’t hold on to hope any longer. It seems my home town, Chalmette (in St. Bernard Parish) has been totally neglected in favor of New Orleans (and the minimal help *they* have been given). It makes me want to put my fist through the television when Jesse Jackson and other black activists say that the poor black people of New Orleans are being discriminated against when St. Bernard Parish has been written off as just gone (never mind that there are still people trapped on roofs and in attics that are still (barely) alive)! Oh, I am in full agreement with you! Jesse Jackson has the effrontery to say that to call the refugees, "refugees" implies bigotry. WHAT IN THE HELL? Refugee implies a person seeking refuge. This means white people, black people, Asian, Mexican – all from that area. And they are American. Refugee implies a person seeking refuse from another country.

Seeking refuse? Interesting. kili

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just can’t hold on to hope any longer. It seems my home town, Chalmette (in St. Bernard Parish) has been totally neglected in favor of New Orleans Oh, I am in full agreement with you! Jesse Jackson has the effrontery to say that to call the refugees, "refugees" implies bigotry. WHAT IN THE HELL? Refugee implies a person seeking refuge. And they are American. Refugee implies a person seeking refuse from another country. Seeking refuse? Interesting. kili

There is plenty of refuse, that’s for sure. Jill

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I don’t think he singled out NO. I am sure he has said poor black people in the South. are being discriminated against when St. Bernard Parish has been written off as just gone (never mind that there are still people trapped on roofs and in attics that are still (barely) alive)!

Yet your white family – WHO ALREADY WERE SAFE AND WERE WITH THEIR OWN FAMILY – received aid, food, and god-knows what else while thousands of black people (and others in New Orleans) sat in their own shit and filth in the Superdome waiting for anyone to even bring them water. Not to mention others whop were still floating by. Be glad your family had a car to leave in. Be glad they had family with a big fancy home and high-paying job (according to you – apparently now your story has changed) to go to. Black people in NO – and the South in general – didn’t and don’t have that luxury. It is institutionalized racism which has kept the situation that way for decades. When the body count is done, you can bet the vast majority of the dead will be poor and black. These are preventable deaths the government knew about – but Bush and his cronies favored fighting their religious war over funding the infrastructure of the levees for years. They simply don’t give a shit because the area is poor and black. And that’s a fact. "I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." – President Bush, September 1, 2005 "It was a broiling August afternoon in New Orleans, Louisiana, the Big Easy, the City That Care Forgot. Those who ventured outside moved as if they were swimming in tupelo honey. Those inside paid silent homage to the man who invented air-conditioning as they watched TV "storm teams" warn of a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico. Nothing surprising there: Hurricanes in August are as much a part of life in this town as hangovers on Ash Wednesday. But the next day the storm gathered steam and drew a bead on the city. As the whirling maelstrom approached the coast, more than a million people evacuated to higher ground. Some 200,000 remained, however–the car-less, the homeless, the aged and infirm, and those die-hard New Orleanians who look for any excuse to throw a party. The storm hit Breton Sound with the fury of a nuclear warhead, pushing a deadly storm surge into Lake Pontchartrain. The water crept to the top of the massive berm that holds back the lake and then spilled over. Nearly 80 percent of New Orleans lies below sea level–more than eight feet below in places–so the water poured in. A liquid brown wall washed over the brick ranch homes of Gentilly, over the clapboard houses of the Ninth Ward, over the white-columned porches of the Garden District, until it raced through the bars and strip joints on Bourbon Street like the pale rider of the Apocalypse. As it reached 25 feet (eight meters) over parts of the city, people climbed onto roofs to escape it. Thousands drowned in the murky brew that was soon contaminated by sewage and industrial waste. Thousands more who survived the flood later perished from dehydration and disease as they waited to be rescued. It took two months to pump the city dry, and by then the Big Easy was buried under a blanket of putrid sediment, a million people were homeless, and 50,000 were dead. It was the worst natural disaster in the history of the United States. When did this calamity happen? It hasn’t–yet. But the doomsday scenario is not far-fetched. The Federal Emergency Management Agency lists a hurricane strike on New Orleans as one of the most dire threats to the nation, up there with a large earthquake in California or a terrorist attack on New York City." – National Geographic, October, 2004 If you want to point the finger of blame at anyone, blame the idiots who put these eletist, racist assholes in office (some for a second time!). You get what *you* vote for. -L.

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Seeking refuse? Interesting. kili

Typo and you know it. -L.

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SNIP Thanks, Kate. My Aunt and Uncle have their fingers crossed. She’s a mother of two teenagers. kili Kili, I hope your cousin will be found safe and well and SOON. My three are on extra heavy purr patrol. Melissa

Thank you, Melissa and kiss your furry friends for me. Better yet, give them a huge hug for me. kili

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Still purring that by some miracle, your brother and his family survived. — Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk

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From a Vancouver BC team working in Chalmette http://tinyurl.com/8ll53 Not very encouraging I’m afraid, Jo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I just can’t hold on to hope any longer. It seems my home town, Chalmette (in St. Bernard Parish) has been totally neglected in favor of New Orleans (and the minimal help *they* have been given). It makes me want to put my fist through the television when Jesse Jackson and other black activists say that the poor black people of New Orleans are being discriminated against when St. Bernard Parish has been written off as just gone (never mind that there are still people trapped on roofs and in attics that are still (barely) alive)! http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/national/nationalspecial/04relief.html "Mark Melancon, a firefighter who has been living with colleagues in the BellSouth building, said they had begun shaving their heads at night, in an act of mourning, despair and distraction. "The number of bodies we’re finding is unbelievable," he said. Even some people who were able to get to the parish’s evacuation centers did not survive. Representative Charlie Melancon, a Democrat who represents the area, said in an interview in Baton Rouge that 100 people in St. Bernard Parish had died while trying to leave, which he attributed to a lack of water and food. Deputies had returned heartbroken after their search missions, pulling naked infants from the water and stacking bodies in the parish jail and courthouse, said Lt. Jeff Lee, of the sheriff’s department. "When we start hitting down the doors, there’s no telling what the body count will be," he said." AND http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-chalmette4sep04,… "Maj. Pete Tufaro of the Sheriff’s Department said 43 people were found dead in the first day of door-to-door checks." "Firefighter Melancon – ‘The number of bodies we’re finding is unbelievable!’" 6:00 P.M. – Baltimore Sun – "According to Bayham, much of the parish of 72,000 people is covered by water, and entire towns – Delacroix, Shell Beach, Hopedale and Yscloski – are gone. "They’ve ceased to exist," he said." –Mike Bayham Article http://www.st-bernard.la.us/emprep/katrina/eventlog.htm I just got off the phone with the Red Cross and the names of my missing family and friends are still not listed in any of the evacuation centers scattered across the country. I would appreciate purrs and prayers for the souls of my bother and his family, my best friend of 45 years and her family, and everyone else who lost their lives in this disaster. Hugs, CatNipped

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Because the evacuation plans, at least from NO, *were* carried out– but they just didn’t seem to consider people who didn’t have cars, or couldn’t afford to fill up their tanks. Or who had no flood insurance, and would be terrified to leave their only property behind. The ultimate sin in this country is to be poor– or more and more, as the middle class, disappears, simply not to be rich. I believe what I see on my TV when I know there are almost 40 million people without any health coverage at all in this country. And this administration has always pretended that there are no poor people here, or that people choose to be poor, or choose not to have a car or choose to be without health coverage– or that you can support a family on a Walmart job.

I hear ya there. I have no health insurance and no car. I haven’t had health coverage in, gosh, what, 20 years? Thank God I’m relatively healthy. The United States definitely seems to favor the upper class and what makes me infuriated is the way that our country gives to other countries – ignoring the people here who need help. I’m lucky my husband has a job. When you get down and out without a home it’s futile to try to find a job because you need a phone and an address to acquire a job. kili <——-stepping off her soapbox, now. Sorry.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just can’t hold on to hope any longer. It seems my home town, Chalmette (in St. Bernard Parish) has been totally neglected in favor of New Orleans (and the minimal help *they* have been given). It makes me want to put my fist through the television when Jesse Jackson and other black activists say that the poor black people of New Orleans are being discriminated against when St. Bernard Parish has been written off as just gone (never mind that there are still people trapped on roofs and in attics that are still (barely) alive)! Oh, I am in full agreement with you! Jesse Jackson has the effrontery to say that to call the refugees, "refugees" implies bigotry. WHAT IN THE HELL? Refugee implies a person seeking refuge. This means white people, black people, Asian, Mexican – all from that area. There are many different races still stuck in their homes with no food or water. Why are they making this a BLACK issue? I don’t get it. I just don’t get it. My WHITE cousin is still missing. She was just diagnosed with breast cancer and was supposed to undergo chemo this week. She lives in Metairie just outside of New Orleans. Where are the crews to help her, if supposedly the

I don’t think people — even Jesse Jackson– is suggesting that the rescue crews are discriminating. My God, the rescue crews down there are mostly black. But I think a conclusion *can* be drawn that the poor were disproportionately affected by the hurricane– as they always are– and that there is a mindset of apathy/denial/benign neglect of the poor in this country– and *that* is what is shocking the world. Because the evacuation plans, at least from NO, *were* carried out– but they just didn’t seem to consider people who didn’t have cars, or couldn’t afford to fill up their tanks. Or who had no flood insurance, and would be terrified to leave their only property behind. The ultimate sin in this country is to be poor– or more and more, as the middle class, disappears, simply not to be rich. I believe what I see on my TV when I know there are almost 40 million people without any health coverage at all in this country. And this administration has always pretended that there are no poor people here, or that people choose to be poor, or choose not to have a car or choose to be without health coverage– or that you can support a family on a Walmart job.

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oh god. Lori, we are constantly saying the rosary every night for all the poor souls who were lost in this tragedy. We still hope your brother and his family are not among them, and your best friend’s too. Hang in there. Lily & her mama Lydia — Irulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time

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Oh, I am in full agreement with you! Jesse Jackson has the effrontery to say that to call the refugees, "refugees" implies bigotry. WHAT IN THE HELL? Refugee implies a person seeking refuge. This means white people, black people, Asian, Mexican – all from that area. There are many different races still stuck in their homes with no food or water. Why are they making this a BLACK issue? I don’t get it. I just don’t get it. My WHITE cousin is still missing. She was just diagnosed with breast cancer and was supposed to undergo chemo this week. She lives in Metairie just outside of New Orleans. Where are the crews to help her, if supposedly the crews are only helping WHITE people? I hate that people are insinuating help didn’t arrive sooner because the ones most afflicted were poor and black. Let’s not put race on this, please. Jeesh. Sorry for the rant, but it makes me angry. I have family missing too, for gosh sakes. kili

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Lori, I can’t even imagine what you’re feeling at this point. Your emotions must be on a rollercoaster. Prayers from my family (and Rexie) to you that you have the strength to get through this, whatever the outcome. – ShirleyB, Rexie’s Mom To Reply by email: remove ‘nick’ Pictures of His Majesty, Rex are at: http://community.webshots.com/album/255873683SwWQZJ AND OUR HOMEPAGE: http://jumi-shirley-butler.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just can’t hold on to hope any longer. It seems my home town, Chalmette (in St. Bernard Parish) has been totally neglected in favor of New Orleans (and the minimal help *they* have been given). It makes me want to put my fist through the television when Jesse Jackson and other black activists say that the poor black people of New Orleans are being discriminated against when St. Bernard Parish has been written off as just gone (never mind that there are still people trapped on roofs and in attics that are still (barely) alive)! I would appreciate purrs and prayers for the souls of my bother and his family, my best friend of 45 years and her family, and everyone else who lost their lives in this disaster. Hugs, CatNipped

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Many purrs and prayers for you and your family. I and my family send our prayers and good wishes to you all. I wish I was closer, so that I could help more – if there is anything I can do from this side of the Atlantic do let me know, even if it is just to send a parcel of goodies for your grand-daughters. Take care of yourself. We’re all thinking of you. Kate.

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I just got off the phone with the Red Cross and the names of my missing family and friends are still not listed in any of the evacuation centers scattered across the country. I would appreciate purrs and prayers for the souls of my bother and his family, my best friend of 45 years and her family, and everyone else who lost their lives in this disaster. Hugs, CatNipped

Of course. Wish there was more to offer. I don’t know what else to say.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got off the phone with the Red Cross and the names of my missing family and friends are still not listed in any of the evacuation centers scattered across the country. I would appreciate purrs and prayers for the souls of my bother and his family, my best friend of 45 years and her family, and everyone else who lost their lives in this disaster. Hugs, CatNipped

Purrs and prayers headed your way, CN. Don’t give up yet. Things are still so disorganized down there. I do agree with the whole New Orleans thing. Obviously it’s a recognizable city which people around the world recognize by name but it is by far the only area affected. Jill

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yodeled: I just got off the phone with the Red Cross and the names of my missing family and friends are still not listed in any of the evacuation centers scattered across the country. I would appreciate purrs and prayers for the souls of my bother and his family, my best friend of 45 years and her family, and everyone else who lost their lives in this disaster. Hugs, CatNipped

Oh my God. Oh, Lori, my poor girl. There are no words. (((((((((((((((Lori and family))))))))))))))))) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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I would appreciate purrs and prayers for the souls of my bother and his family, my best friend of 45 years and her family, and everyone else who lost their lives in this disaster.

Don’t lose hope just yet, some of the shelters are so overwhelmed, I’m sure have no idea of all the people who are there. We’ll keep purring for a miracle. — Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)

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I just can’t hold on to hope any longer. It seems my home town, Chalmette (in St. Bernard Parish) has been totally neglected in favor of New Orleans (and the minimal help *they* have been given). It makes me want to put my fist through the television when Jesse Jackson and other black activists say that the poor black people of New Orleans are being discriminated against when St. Bernard Parish has been written off as just gone (never mind that there are still people trapped on roofs and in attics that are still (barely) alive)! http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/national/nationalspecial/04relief.html "Mark Melancon, a firefighter who has been living with colleagues in the BellSouth building, said they had begun shaving their heads at night, in an act of mourning, despair and distraction. "The number of bodies we’re finding is unbelievable," he said. Even some people who were able to get to the parish’s evacuation centers did not survive. Representative Charlie Melancon, a Democrat who represents the area, said in an interview in Baton Rouge that 100 people in St. Bernard Parish had died while trying to leave, which he attributed to a lack of water and food. Deputies had returned heartbroken after their search missions, pulling naked infants from the water and stacking bodies in the parish jail and courthouse, said Lt. Jeff Lee, of the sheriff’s department. "When we start hitting down the doors, there’s no telling what the body count will be," he said." AND http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-chalmette4sep04,… "Maj. Pete Tufaro of the Sheriff’s Department said 43 people were found dead in the first day of door-to-door checks." "Firefighter Melancon – ‘The number of bodies we’re finding is unbelievable!’" 6:00 P.M. – Baltimore Sun – "According to Bayham, much of the parish of 72,000 people is covered by water, and entire towns – Delacroix, Shell Beach, Hopedale and Yscloski – are gone. "They’ve ceased to exist," he said." –Mike Bayham Article http://www.st-bernard.la.us/emprep/katrina/eventlog.htm I just got off the phone with the Red Cross and the names of my missing family and friends are still not listed in any of the evacuation centers scattered across the country. I would appreciate purrs and prayers for the souls of my bother and his family, my best friend of 45 years and her family, and everyone else who lost their lives in this disaster. Hugs, CatNipped

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Mr. Tony Abbott, Minister of Health

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Hi everyone, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Recently, A Current Affair aired a story on Perth-based surgeon, Dr John Holt, who many believe has the cure for cancer. The NHMRC is supposedly conducting a review of Dr Holt’s method of cancer treatment – Microwave Cancer Therapy. The original date for this review to be submitted to the Minister for Health was December 21, 2004. It was not submitted. A further date was set. Again, the review was not submitted. It has still not been submitted. Strange when considering Dr. Holt’s claim that he could train any doctor to apply his therapy in a day. Dr Holt, who is 80 years of age, has cured thousands of people of many forms of cancer and closed his practice on June 30, 2005 because his method of treatment is considered by our government to be unorthodox. Chemo (a known killer), is the accepted, Orthodox method in cancer treatment. Dr, Holt’s retirement is a great loss to his patients and to the many thousands who could possibly be cured by his clearly successful method; people who will be told by oncologists that there is nothing that can be done for them. This is your chance to help fellow Australians, who finally have a chance to beat cancer, keep Dr. Holt’s work from being buried by our bureaucrats. Have you ever noticed how many appeals there are for cancer research, yet after more than three decades, there is no cure? Ever noticed how every cancer cure ultimately gets swept under the carpet? Cancer is a multi-billion dollar global industry that will not recognize any cure that cannot be manufactured as a patentable drug. It’s about money. Check it out on the web. It makes very interesting reading. We, the undersigned, demand that the Australian Government and the Department of Health and Ageing act swiftly and responsibly to ensure that Dr. Holt’s treatment method for cancer be fairly evaluated and implemented in mainstream medicine in Australia if it is proven to be beneficial in the treatment of cancer, and that Dr. Holt be recognized for his ground breaking work. INSTRUCTIONS – PRESS THE FORWARD BUTTON THEN Please number and place your name at the end of this list, then forward this email to anyone you know who believes in common decency the right to life. If you are the 50th person on this list, please forward this email to: And You must then clear the list of all names and start a new list. We will hit Abbott with thousands of lists which we believe cannot be ignored. We have the opportunity to bust the insidious cancer industry (essentially American drug companies) wide open in Australia. We’re small enough as a nation to be able to do it. Americans have no chance. Thank you for your assistance in attempting to save the work Doctor Holt and with it, possibly, the lives of thousands of cancer sufferers in Australia and the world. 01. GenevieveArthy Oxley Qld 02.Jane Edwards, Forest Lake, Qld 03. Jenni Thompson, Grange Qld 04. Jan McIntyre St.Lucia Qld 05 Cheryl Van Leeuwen, New Farm QLD 06 Lloyd Golato, QLD 07 John Hardgrave, QLD 08 Annette Freeman, Spring Hill, QLD 09 Jodi Downey, Runaway Bay, Qld 10 Christine Harrison Noosa Heads 11 Tony Harrison Noosa Heads 12 Veronica Green, Caloundra, Qld 13 Brian Jones, Golden Beach, Qld 14 Steve Hobson, Golden Beach, Qld 15 Shirley Wood, Sandgate, Qld 16 Gary Wood, Sandgate, Qld 17 Keith Valentine, Mooloolaba, Qld 18 Robin Valentine, Mooloolaba, Qld 19 Debbie Waters

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Today is my mom’s 80th birthday. I can’t get in touch with her. She’s somewhere on the road evacuating from New Orleans and the wrath of Katrina. All phone circuits to New Orleans and to cell phones in that area are busy and it’s impossible to get through. I know she’s with my brother, SIL, niece (and her family), but it worries me that they’ll be stuck in a car for hours and hours (as Victor just told me – and it’s gotten worse since then – it taking 24 hours to traverse the normally 6 hour drive from N.O. to Houston (although they’re not heading this way, they’re heading into central Louisiana to a nice little resort town where they stay in a pet-friendly hotel)). My daughter, SIL, and three granddaughters have not even started on their way here yet – they’re leaving in a few hours – so they’ll probably be on the road trying to get here for the next 30+ hours (stuck in a car with three children and two d*gs, bless their hearts!!!). Please send purrs that everyone will reach their destinations safely (and if you could spare some, please send some for me to help me stay sane through a visit by the MIL-and-her-dogs from hell). Over the next few days, our house will be full of 6 adults, 3 children, 5 d*gs, and 5 cats!!!!. Thankfully, my granddaughters and my daughter’s two dogs are the most well-behaved creatures on the face of the planet, so that’s not a problem – they will actually be a relief from the problem and a joy in my life right now. Hugs, CatNipped

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Houston (although they’re not heading this way, they’re heading into central Louisiana to a nice little resort town where they stay in a pet-friendly hotel)).

Yay!!! My daughter, SIL, and three granddaughters have not even started on their way here yet – they’re leaving in a few hours – so they’ll probably be on the road trying to get here for the next 30+ hours (stuck in a car with three children and two d*gs, bless their hearts!!!).

Lots of calming purrs for all of them! Please send purrs that everyone will reach their destinations safely (and if you could spare some, please send some for me to help me stay sane through a visit by the MIL-and-her-dogs from hell).

Absolutely! Thankfully, my granddaughters and my daughter’s two dogs are the most well-behaved creatures on the face of the planet, so that’s not a problem – they will actually be a relief from the problem and a joy in my life right now.

I’m glad to hear that. I hope something good comes out of this disaster. — Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today is my mom’s 80th birthday. I can’t get in touch with her. She’s somewhere on the road evacuating from New Orleans and the wrath of Katrina. All phone circuits to New Orleans and to cell phones in that area are busy and it’s impossible to get through. I know she’s with my brother, SIL, niece (and her family), but it worries me that they’ll be stuck in a car for hours and hours (as Victor just told me – and it’s gotten worse since then – it taking 24 hours to traverse the normally 6 hour drive from N.O. to Houston (although they’re not heading this way, they’re heading into central Louisiana to a nice little resort town where they stay in a pet-friendly hotel)). My daughter, SIL, and three granddaughters have not even started on their way here yet – they’re leaving in a few hours – so they’ll probably be on the road trying to get here for the next 30+ hours (stuck in a car with three children and two d*gs, bless their hearts!!!). Please send purrs that everyone will reach their destinations safely (and if you could spare some, please send some for me to help me stay sane through a visit by the MIL-and-her-dogs from hell). Over the next few days, our house will be full of 6 adults, 3 children, 5 d*gs, and 5 cats!!!!. Thankfully, my granddaughters and my daughter’s two dogs are the most well-behaved creatures on the face of the planet, so that’s not a problem – they will actually be a relief from the problem and a joy in my life right now. Hugs, CatNipped

Purrs for everybody affected by Katrina. — Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk

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Purrs from here, too. The situation of having to leave your home and not know what you will be returning too is so frightening. Sherry

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Today is my mom’s 80th birthday. I can’t get in touch with her. She’s somewhere on the road evacuating from New Orleans and the wrath of Katrina. All phone circuits to New Orleans and to cell phones in that area are busy and it’s impossible to get through. I know she’s with my brother, SIL, niece (and her family), but it worries me that they’ll be stuck in a car for hours and hours (as Victor just told me – and it’s gotten worse since then – it taking 24 hours to traverse the normally 6 hour drive from N.O. to Houston (although they’re not heading this way, they’re heading into central Louisiana to a nice little resort town where they stay in a pet-friendly hotel)). My daughter, SIL, and three granddaughters have not even started on their way here yet – they’re leaving in a few hours – so they’ll probably be on the road trying to get here for the next 30+ hours (stuck in a car with three children and two d*gs, bless their hearts!!!). Please send purrs that everyone will reach their destinations safely (and if you could spare some, please send some for me to help me stay sane through a visit by the MIL-and-her-dogs from hell). Over the next few days, our house will be full of 6 adults, 3 children, 5 d*gs, and 5 cats!!!!. Thankfully, my granddaughters and my daughter’s two dogs are the most well-behaved creatures on the face of the planet, so that’s not a problem – they will actually be a relief from the problem and a joy in my life right now. Hugs, CatNipped

BIG, multipurpose purrs, Lori. Fasten your seatlbelts! Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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On 2005-08-28, CatNipped penned: Please send purrs that everyone will reach their destinations safely (and if you could spare some, please send some for me to help me stay sane through a visit by the MIL-and-her-dogs from hell).

Heartfelt purrs for safety and sanity for everyone. — monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today is my mom’s 80th birthday. I can’t get in touch with her. She’s somewhere on the road evacuating from New Orleans and the wrath of Katrina. All phone circuits to New Orleans and to cell phones in that area are busy and it’s impossible to get through. I know she’s with my brother, SIL, niece (and her family), but it worries me that they’ll be stuck in a car for hours and hours (as Victor just told me – and it’s gotten worse since then – it taking 24 hours to traverse the normally 6 hour drive from N.O. to Houston (although they’re not heading this way, they’re heading into central Louisiana to a nice little resort town where they stay in a pet-friendly hotel)). My daughter, SIL, and three granddaughters have not even started on their way here yet – they’re leaving in a few hours – so they’ll probably be on the road trying to get here for the next 30+ hours (stuck in a car with three children and two d*gs, bless their hearts!!!). Please send purrs that everyone will reach their destinations safely (and if you could spare some, please send some for me to help me stay sane through a visit by the MIL-and-her-dogs from hell). Over the next few days, our house will be full of 6 adults, 3 children, 5 d*gs, and 5 cats!!!!. Thankfully, my granddaughters and my daughter’s two dogs are the most well-behaved creatures on the face of the planet, so that’s not a problem – they will actually be a relief from the problem and a joy in my life right now. Hugs, CatNipped

I just can’t imagine trying to escape that mess! I’ve had my TV glued to the weather channel since yesterday. I’m trying to call my cousins in New Orleans, but I can’t get a hold of them; hopefully that means they’ve evacuated as well. My cousin, Remi, is currently undergouing chemo for breast cancer, so I’m wondering how Katrina’s going to affect her. I sincerely hope that your family comes through completely unscathed. Let us know when you *do* hear from them. kili

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Purrs and prayers that your family escapes Katrina’s wrath and find safe harbor. Lily & her mama Jazz, RB — Irulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time

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Purring for all the Louisiana travelers – may they be well and safe on their journey. MLB

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least not as a ‘cane!)…..take Victor’s advice & put the dogs from hell out in *fenced yard* w/no backtalk from anyone visiting. A word of advice which you may not want to take: having weathered many ‘canes in *many ways* starting in my youth, sometimes it’s best to partydown and fill testy guests up so much w/booze they sleep the ‘cane off peacefully in their assigned whole situation. As I said, not a solution for everyone: you gotta know which guests could turn nasty when snockered.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Purrs and prayers that your family escapes Katrina’s wrath and find safe harbor. Lily & her mama Jazz, RB — Irulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time Today is my mom’s 80th birthday. I can’t get in touch with her. She’s somewhere on the road evacuating from New Orleans and the wrath of Katrina. All phone circuits to New Orleans and to cell phones in that area are busy and it’s impossible to get through. I know she’s with my brother, SIL, niece (and her family), but it worries me that they’ll be stuck in a car for hours and hours (as Victor just told me – and it’s gotten worse since then – it taking 24 hours to traverse the normally 6 hour drive from N.O. to Houston (although they’re not heading this way, they’re heading into central Louisiana to a nice little resort town where they stay in a pet-friendly hotel)). My daughter, SIL, and three granddaughters have not even started on their way here yet – they’re leaving in a few hours – so they’ll probably be on the road trying to get here for the next 30+ hours (stuck in a car with three children and two d*gs, bless their hearts!!!). Please send purrs that everyone will reach their destinations safely (and if you could spare some, please send some for me to help me stay sane through a visit by the MIL-and-her-dogs from hell). Over the next few days, our house will be full of 6 adults, 3 children, 5 d*gs, and 5 cats!!!!. Thankfully, my granddaughters and my daughter’s two dogs are the most well-behaved creatures on the face of the planet, so that’s not a problem – they will actually be a relief from the problem and a joy in my life right now. Hugs, CatNipped

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Of course! Soothing, calming, journey completing purrs & good vibes heading your way. Cheers, helen s

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Purrs on the way. Ann — read Sam’s blog at http://kittens-3.blogspot.com/ see pictures of Sam at http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ann791/my_photos

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Over the next few days, our house will be full of 6 adults, 3 children, 5 d*gs, and 5 cats!!!!. Thankfully, my granddaughters and my daughter’s two dogs are the most well-behaved creatures on the face of the planet, so that’s not a problem – they will actually be a relief from the problem and a joy in my life right now.

That’s some serious over-crowding all right, but I’m actually relieved to hear that you’ll have some folks there who may be able to help you cope. — Wayne M (indulged by Will and Heidi)

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You got it, Catnipped. Purrs heading that way. Ginger-lyn Home Pages: http://www.spiritrealm.com/summer/ http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy) http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against Animals in Movies Website)

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SNIP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please send purrs that everyone will reach their destinations safely (and if you could spare some, please send some for me to help me stay sane through a visit by the MIL-and-her-dogs from hell). Over the next few days, our house will be full of 6 adults, 3 children, 5 d*gs, and 5 cats!!!!. Thankfully, my granddaughters and my daughter’s two dogs are the most well-behaved creatures on the face of the planet, so that’s not a problem – they will actually be a relief from the problem and a joy in my life right now. Hugs, CatNipped

Massive Hurricane Safety Purrs, Catnipped. I hope your assorted families will reach safety as soon as possible, and then return to undamaged homes after Katrina has passed. Melissa

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Today is my mom’s 80th birthday. I can’t get in touch with her. She’s somewhere on the road evacuating from New Orleans and the wrath of Katrina. My daughter, SIL, and three granddaughters have not even started on their way here yet – they’re leaving in a few hours – so they’ll probably be on the road trying to get here for the next 30+ hours (stuck in a car with three children and two d*gs, bless their hearts!!!).

More purrs en route that everyone gets through safely. G & the FF

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Purrs on the way for everyone’s safe arrival at their destination of choice and happy birthday to your Mom. Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe

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Lots of purrs and best wishes for your family and for you, CN, — Polonca & Soncek

Today is my mom’s 80th birthday. I can’t get in touch with her. She’s somewhere on the road evacuating from New Orleans and the wrath of

Katrina.

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OT – An ending and a beginning…

admin — Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Hi everyone…first off I want to thank everyone in the group who offered prayers, good thoughts and/or good vibes for my daughter’s well-being. I believe with all my heart that God hears them all, no matter where they come from or what words are used. I also firmly believe you all were part of her healing, as well as mine. Yesterday was her last radiation treatment!!! It’s done – it’s over. It took almost exactly 6 months to the day of her finding the lump to the day her treatments for the breast cancer was over. She will be returning to work on the 29th of this month. She wanted to go back this coming Monday but her boss had hired a temp to take Jen’s place and the 29th was the day they had agreed on her coming back to work, so she has to wait another week. She’s well and she’s happy. Not only did she have to face the fact that she might die but also at the same time deal with a devastating betrayal by someone she loved with all her heart. But she was strong…strong in her faith, strong in her will to get better, and strong in her ability to forgive and start over. I wish you could all meet her…she is an amazing young woman. I look at her and wonder where did she come from? Where did she learn to live life on its terms, not hers? Where did she find the courage and strength to keep going on when life handed her more in six months than most people have to deal with in a lifetime? She handled the betrayal all by herself, not telling anyone in the family or even her best friend for 4 months while going through chemo at the same time… all the while never once a complaint from her lips or a hint of what was going on. She just put it all in God’s hands and kept looking to him for strength and courage until she was ready to tell her family. Did she cry? More tears than you can imagine. Was her heart broken? In so many pieces I didn’t think she would ever be able to pick them up again. Was her trust in God and her loved one shaken? Never in God but yes to her loved one. But with faith, time, and courage, she picked up the pieces and gave this person a chance to prove himself again. With most people, it would have been a deal breaker. But with counseling they are on the road to recovery. As she said yesterday, she can honestly say she’s glad everything that happened to her did, because she came out of it a better, stronger person. And I say "amen" to that. She may only be 34 but she’s a very mature, strong 34 year old. As for Joe and myself, it has been a hard road to travel but again, with God’s help and the prayers and support of others, we made it through. As for forgiving Jen’s loved one, well, the way we look at it, if God can forgive us our sins, how can we not forgive others? Not to say we liked what happened or we weren’t in total shock and needed time to process it all, but we are doing pretty well under the circumstances. I realize not everyone in the group believes as we do, and that’s OK – it doesn’t matter and isn’t important. What I do know is that you all will be happy to hear the good news about my daughter. Thanks again for all your support and love… All my love, Rita — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Great news on both fronts, Rita. An excellent book for Jen and her husband to read is Aaron Beck’s "Love Is Never Enough", about how people miscommunicate and how they can resolve conflicts, and solve relationship problems with cognitive principles or cognitive therapy. Chip

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone…first off I want to thank everyone in the group who offered prayers, good thoughts and/or good vibes for my daughter’s well-being. I believe with all my heart that God hears them all, no matter where they come from or what words are used. I also firmly believe you all were part of her healing, as well as mine. Yesterday was her last radiation treatment!!! It’s done – it’s over. It took almost exactly 6 months to the day of her finding the lump to the day her treatments for the breast cancer was over. She will be returning to work on the 29th of this month. She wanted to go back this coming Monday but her boss had hired a temp to take Jen’s place and the 29th was the day they had agreed on her coming back to work, so she has to wait another week. She’s well and she’s happy. Not only did she have to face the fact that she might die but also at the same time deal with a devastating betrayal by someone she loved with all her heart. But she was strong…strong in her faith, strong in her will to get better, and strong in her ability to forgive and start over. I wish you could all meet her…she is an amazing young woman. I look at her and wonder where did she come from? Where did she learn to live life on its terms, not hers? Where did she find the courage and strength to keep going on when life handed her more in six months than most people have to deal with in a lifetime? She handled the betrayal all by herself, not telling anyone in the family or even her best friend for 4 months while going through chemo at the same time… all the while never once a complaint from her lips or a hint of what was going on. She just put it all in God’s hands and kept looking to him for strength and courage until she was ready to tell her family. Did she cry? More tears than you can imagine. Was her heart broken? In so many pieces I didn’t think she would ever be able to pick them up again. Was her trust in God and her loved one shaken? Never in God but yes to her loved one. But with faith, time, and courage, she picked up the pieces and gave this person a chance to prove himself again. With most people, it would have been a deal breaker. But with counseling they are on the road to recovery. As she said yesterday, she can honestly say she’s glad everything that happened to her did, because she came out of it a better, stronger person. And I say "amen" to that. She may only be 34 but she’s a very mature, strong 34 year old. As for Joe and myself, it has been a hard road to travel but again, with God’s help and the prayers and support of others, we made it through. As for forgiving Jen’s loved one, well, the way we look at it, if God can forgive us our sins, how can we not forgive others? Not to say we liked what happened or we weren’t in total shock and needed time to process it all, but we are doing pretty well under the circumstances. I realize not everyone in the group believes as we do, and that’s OK – it doesn’t matter and isn’t important. What I do know is that you all will be happy to hear the good news about my daughter. Thanks again for all your support and love… All my love, Rita — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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*Fantastic* news! I’m so happy for all of you. Of course she is an amazing woman, she is *your* daughter so she learned from the best. (((Rita))) Philip It – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – took almost exactly 6 months to the day of her finding the lump to the day her treatments for the breast cancer was over. She will be returning to work on the 29th of this month. She wanted to go back this coming Monday but her boss had hired a temp to take Jen’s place and the 29th was the day they had agreed on her coming back to work, so she has to wait another week. She’s well and she’s happy. Not only did she have to face the fact that she might die but also at the same time deal with a devastating betrayal by someone she loved with all her heart. But she was strong…strong in her faith, strong in her will to get better, and strong in her ability to forgive and start over. I wish you could all meet her…she is an amazing young woman. I look at her and wonder where did she come from? Where did she learn to live life on its terms, not hers? Where did she find the courage and strength to keep going on when life handed her more in six months than most people have to deal with in a lifetime? She handled the betrayal all by herself, not telling anyone in the family or even her best friend for 4 months while going through chemo at the same time… all the while never once a complaint from her lips or a hint of what was going on. She just put it all in God’s hands and kept looking to him for strength and courage until she was ready to tell her family. Did she cry? More tears than you can imagine. Was her heart broken? In so many pieces I didn’t think she would ever be able to pick them up again. Was her trust in God and her loved one shaken? Never in God but yes to her loved one. But with faith, time, and courage, she picked up the pieces and gave this person a chance to prove himself again. With most people, it would have been a deal breaker. But with counseling they are on the road to recovery. As she said yesterday, she can honestly say she’s glad everything that happened to her did, because she came out of it a better, stronger person. And I say "amen" to that. She may only be 34 but she’s a very mature, strong 34 year old. As for Joe and myself, it has been a hard road to travel but again, with God’s help and the prayers and support of others, we made it through. As for forgiving Jen’s loved one, well, the way we look at it, if God can forgive us our sins, how can we not forgive others? Not to say we liked what happened or we weren’t in total shock and needed time to process it all, but we are doing pretty well under the circumstances. I realize not everyone in the group believes as we do, and that’s OK – it doesn’t matter and isn’t important. What I do know is that you all will be happy to hear the good news about my daughter. Thanks again for all your support and love… All my love, Rita

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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((((((Rita)))))) I am so happy to hear this for Jen. She has been so strong throughout this ordeal and I can imagine how relieved you and Joe are also. I’m sorry to hear about the problems she has gone through with her loved one and yet glad to know they are in counseling. I wish them much success… smiles, Elise

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone…first off I want to thank everyone in the group who offered prayers, good thoughts and/or good vibes for my daughter’s well-being. I believe with all my heart that God hears them all, no matter where they come from or what words are used. I also firmly believe you all were part of her healing, as well as mine. Yesterday was her last radiation treatment!!! It’s done – it’s over. It took almost exactly 6 months to the day of her finding the lump to the day her treatments for the breast cancer was over. She will be returning to work on the 29th of this month. She wanted to go back this coming Monday but her boss had hired a temp to take Jen’s place and the 29th was the day they had agreed on her coming back to work, so she has to wait another week. She’s well and she’s happy. Not only did she have to face the fact that she might die but also at the same time deal with a devastating betrayal by someone she loved with all her heart. But she was strong…strong in her faith, strong in her will to get better, and strong in her ability to forgive and start over. I wish you could all meet her…she is an amazing young woman. I look at her and wonder where did she come from? Where did she learn to live life on its terms, not hers? Where did she find the courage and strength to keep going on when life handed her more in six months than most people have to deal with in a lifetime? She handled the betrayal all by herself, not telling anyone in the family or even her best friend for 4 months while going through chemo at the same time… all the while never once a complaint from her lips or a hint of what was going on. She just put it all in God’s hands and kept looking to him for strength and courage until she was ready to tell her family. Did she cry? More tears than you can imagine. Was her heart broken? In so many pieces I didn’t think she would ever be able to pick them up again. Was her trust in God and her loved one shaken? Never in God but yes to her loved one. But with faith, time, and courage, she picked up the pieces and gave this person a chance to prove himself again. With most people, it would have been a deal breaker. But with counseling they are on the road to recovery. As she said yesterday, she can honestly say she’s glad everything that happened to her did, because she came out of it a better, stronger person. And I say "amen" to that. She may only be 34 but she’s a very mature, strong 34 year old. As for Joe and myself, it has been a hard road to travel but again, with God’s help and the prayers and support of others, we made it through. As for forgiving Jen’s loved one, well, the way we look at it, if God can forgive us our sins, how can we not forgive others? Not to say we liked what happened or we weren’t in total shock and needed time to process it all, but we are doing pretty well under the circumstances. I realize not everyone in the group believes as we do, and that’s OK – it doesn’t matter and isn’t important. What I do know is that you all will be happy to hear the good news about my daughter. Thanks again for all your support and love… All my love, Rita

Dear Rita, What a wonderful post! I am so glad that Jen is now through all her treatment. I watched my very young nephew go through chemo and I understand too well the difficulties that it brings with it. I’m so glad that she is working on her relationship. It’s easier to just give up but obviously Jen has an amazing strength within her. Forgiveness is not an easy one for many people. She shows great strength of character. Know that I am very happy for you and your family Rita. You are one very special lady! Love from Caz x — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Rita, I’m so very glad this is all over for Jen. What a remarkable woman she is! I don’t think I could’ve handled all that she did. I’m so glad her marriage is on the road to recovery as well as her health. Some times it’s so hard to put everything in God’s hands and leave it there. My best to Jen and hope all stays well with her. {{{{{{{Rita & Jen}}}}}}} Love, Di

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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OLD Nurse Joke

admin — Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Thank you kindly for posting that info, Rich. G

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Your logic in the "non kill-file" usage policy is unassailable Elliott, however so are some brands of arrogant idiocy, and I just can’t (more like "wont") deal w/ it at this point. Since you will never kill the file, I feel safe in doing so – for the sake of the greater good/public info etc… If I could just figure out how to do it ! (technically speaking, I mean) G

http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaqhtm.htm Rich

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Good morning gentlemen, I hope your day is progressing along in a most excellent and satisfying way. Actually, I really didn’t know how to "killfile"; as with most computer issues, unless I am forced to learn how to perform the various functions I generally just don’t. Good, bad or indifferent, that’s just the way I’ve handled the whole computer thing from day one, which was in 1996, when I learned how to turn on a PC, and turn it off. It’s actually quite amazing to me how much of it I am able to do, when I think back at how utterly unable I was at one time. As to some of the issues that have been bantered about, I’ll just list some thoughts, as I’m a little tired; it’s been a fairly rough week, and will culminate on Thursday with dental surgery – isn’t that just ducky…. a) I tend to think that people can make their own discernments as to what is reasonable and what isn’t. Even if they can’t it is certainly no moral or other imperative for me to assist them unless I choose to do so, for reasons that are entirely mine requiring no justification to anyone. b) I find amusement in many things – as well as irony, profundity, joy, sorrow and a host of other potential feeling states. In the case of mcs, I am simply finding irritation, much like a fly in the car while in heavy traffic. To be told that I come here primarily to "play a nurse" far exceeds my capacity for amusement, or even toleration really. I am a real nurse, and I am consummate at it, I give my best effort every day to offer help and support to people who might need some – that is what we do. Nursing isn’t only a job – it’s a profession. There are many things that make me feel good about myself on any given day – failure to be aware of specific and identified annoyances is unnecessary for me to add to the list. No judgment is implied about your list, I’m simply giving you information about mine. 3) The logic in your guess regarding my intent (re. killfile) is unassailable on any number of levels, the most obvious of which is "people do what they WANT to do" so it stands to reason/common-sense that if you do not do something, it’s entirely probable that you did not want to do it. From a past tense perspective that is all perfectly valid in this instance. Things change however, and at this time, killfile is exactly what I precisely DO wish to do, and I assure you that I will accomplish that task, even if I have to enlist the assistance of a professional (not difficult; I have a number of friends in the IT industry). It is simple enough to ignore people – absolutely. It’s even simpler to not have to ignore something you never saw in the first place. Here’s to simplicity, G

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Your logic in the "non kill-file" usage policy is unassailable Elliott, however so are some brands of arrogant idiocy, and I just can’t (more like "wont") deal w/ it at this point. Since you will never kill the file, I feel safe in doing so – for the sake of the greater good/public info etc… If I could just figure out how to do it ! (technically speaking, I mean) G dragged a comb across the head – found the way downstairs and drank a cup, and looking up, noticed it was late – but took the time to write: "Now Gary you got anything better to do….." For once, I think you have a valid point and the answer is a definite and resounding "yes". Take care. I agreed with you then and agree with you now – except for one tiny thing. Statements such as "If people really wanted to know support for anxiety they would get as far away from psychiatrists as humanly possible" need to be challenged, lest it lay there in the open to be seen as a possibly good suggestion. That’s something aside from the ‘folly’ side of such people (amusement factor, if you will that I’ve never been able to leave alone. That’s why I’ve never used, nor ever will use, a kill file. E… — Elliott remove eee to eeemail http://home.earthlink.net/~ejk2/

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lol the point is , I would never try to harm or criticize someone for no known reason.You were not here when Elliot started it and he keeps replying although he doesn’t care too much so he says. I think the guy is a hypocrite and will say or do anything to come across a certain way. In reality he panics cause he realizes he can’t control everybody or thing. . Having said that anxiety is ultimately lost of control of safety issues and if one is in panic mode they shouldn’t be the ones pointing the fingers at others who do also unless the guy has learned to take no responsibility for his actions". The point is we learn or sometimes we learn thru posting about ourselves or at others, and I react if I think I am right.. Gary you never said most of the time what I said that was right, and you rarely said anything about the other sides responsibilty and you pretend you know the differences.Then you say you have doubts about meds and then give advice about meds. yeah so I think you do get confused too. Most people here don’t come here for support, they come here to play Dr. or nurse in your case. If people really wanted to know support for anxiety they would get as far away from psychiatrists as humanly possible

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – " 24 hours with you wold (sic) be enough for anyone to selfdestruct.Oh wait some have already, me sooo surprised…" "Why? I think its true with Elliott . so what?" "I don’t want to take out my frrustration (sic) on myself or others" Steve, if you can’t see the contradictions in what you say all the time here, it really is pointless (or ‘mental masturbation’ as E put it) to even continue. My original diagnosis assessment ("I have done all I can here") somehow got ignored by me, and I think I need to re-visit that idea. "Now Gary you got anything better to do….." For once, I think you have a valid point and the answer is a definite and resounding "yes". Take care.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – dragged a comb across the head – found the way downstairs and drank a cup, and looking up, noticed it was late – but took the time to write: "Now Gary you got anything better to do….." For once, I think you have a valid point and the answer is a definite and resounding "yes". Take care. I agreed with you then and agree with you now – except for one tiny thing. Statements such as "If people really wanted to know support for anxiety they would get as far away from psychiatrists as humanly possible" need to be challenged, lest it lay there in the open to be seen as a possibly good suggestion. That’s something aside from the ‘folly’ side of such people (amusement factor, if you will that I’ve never been able to leave alone. That’s why I’ve never used, nor ever will use, a kill file. E… — Elliott remove eee to eeemail http://home.earthlink.net/~ejk2/

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" 24 hours with you wold (sic) be enough for anyone to selfdestruct.Oh wait some have already, me sooo surprised…" "Why? I think its true with Elliott . so what?" "I don’t want to take out my frrustration (sic) on myself or others" Steve, if you can’t see the contradictions in what you say all the time here, it really is pointless (or ‘mental masturbation’ as E put it) to even continue. My original diagnosis assessment ("I have done all I can here") somehow got ignored by me, and I think I need to re-visit that idea. "Now Gary you got anything better to do….." For once, I think you have a valid point and the answer is a definite and resounding "yes". Take care.

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Here is my respons to someone who talked about ocd.please cut and paste post. I think excess energy can contribute to fear. Its where you place that excess energy that sometimes makes all the difference. My own personal experience. Fear of bridges. If I don’t get myself calm like by exercising for at least 2 hours beforehand or a day before. I have extremely hard time. My mind races with thoughts and I am slave to these moments or emotions. My intellect cannot stop them. I have crossed bridges this way still but the fear was more or less uncontainable.So in that realm I can see how excess energy can contribute to fears. Now Gary you never comment about anything I say that suggests changes. You only pinpoint negative things too often and often what I have to say is about policies. Only when Elliott or someone who is very obnoxious comes into play I respond but truthfully its more disconcerting to see you get involved in this . .I also never ever heard you disagree with anything a female had to say.also If you think life is to suggest people taking meds for anxiety again your woefully wrong and missing the point of life. I have seen so much and while amall percent might be helped , a even larger percent would do better by changing lifestyles and condition surrounding themselves then taking meds or reading some new mood therapy book.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A male patient is lying in bed in the hospital, wearing an oxygen mask over his mouth and nose, still heavily sedated from a difficult, four hour, surgical procedure. A young, student nurse appears to give him a partial sponge bath. "Nurse," he mumbles, from behind the mask. "Are my testicles black?" Embarrassed, the young nurse replies, "I don’t know, Sir. I’m only here to wash your upper body and feet." He struggles to ask again, "Nurse, are my testicles black?" Concerned that he may elevate his vitals from worry about his testicles, she overcomes her embarrassment and sheepishly pulls back the covers. She raises his gown, holds his penis in one hand and his testicles in the other. Then, she takes a close look and says, "There’s nothing wrong with them, Sir!" The man pulls off his oxygen mask, smiles at her and says very slowly, "Thank you very much. That was wonderful, but, listen very, very closely…… A r e – m y – t e s t – r e s u l t s – b a c k?

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Since your soo fast in making assumptions. Lets examine the same critique to my assumptions about Bush or air pollution or why I am anxious. Also consider this is just kind of funny to me. When my mom goes crazy when she herself is nuts or when Elliott goes crazy when he is nuts, shows a strong lack of observation of oneself. Its always they….. to these people I admit I have some drawbacks and do have some anxieties. Lets say if it shows I am mean here its best to suggest better here then out there. . Also I will throw out this. in the case of fortitude and understanding that some people who feel about some of the issues sit on their ass which is exactly why Bush wins two times. Its time people stand up and take a stand. With Elliott, there is absolutely no meaness intended. its just the truth as I see it. I didn’t say I hope anything happens to him, I just know what kind of freak he is. period.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "The bottom line is try not to take too much what anyone says here seriously." OK… "I think there are emotions and then there is intellect. I come here to see if I can unify them more." a) If we are "not to take too much what anyone says here seriously" then why would you ever be successful in unifying anything, or creating this "change" you so strongly claim to support? b) Not content with the first stab, you (not so subtlely) stabbed again, this time giving the dog the cancer. This is disconcerting and sad, reflective of an angry and disenfranchised product of a way-too-big and mean town, and probably precious little else. but don’t worry about it, because I’m not "real life", and we certainly don’t live with each other. People who post here ARE real people – whether you have the insight to see that or not is immaterial; they are real and so are their concerns. Your narcissism is frightening at times. People who try to "out mean" others do not impress me, and actually just show how devolved our society is on a number of levels. "I have always tried to show broader correlation and how things are connected in all areas of life." If that was really the case, you would realize that being unkind to anyone, regardless of whether you "like" them or not – is a negative and unproductive use of your time, and can only harm. Your grandiosity coupled with a less than optimal "intellect" and semi-loose associations again forces me to (in the spirit of a committment to honesty) suggest that you may have a thinking disorder – probably of the schizophreniform sort. "The best thing we can do is try to do is try to move the emotion part a little bit more to the intelligent part whereas we live in unison with our lives." That could almost (maybe) be construed as a defensible statement, except that… well, it just wouldn’t be polite to say much else here……. G Gary you and others here get into he said she said too much, because in reality there are way more important issues going on and I usually outline them on other groups and sometimes here. . I think I have said this many times. I think there are emotions and then there is intellect. I come here to see if I can unify them more. . Anxiety is often nothing less then fears of not knowing what the future will bring . People say whatever they want to try to mitigate those fears. some of it appears real and some of it doesnt, some of it is funny and some of it is to take up time. The bottom line is try not to take too much what anyone says here seriously. This is not real life lol It might well be reflective of real situations going on in our brain, and a place to release tension and frustration etc. But in fact don’t live with each other do we? True I don’t like Elliott but so what? I know many people don’t like me, but when you try to make progress on issues or in life people hate sometimes the scent of reality or change.. Change is extremely threatnings and so the status quo is often much more reliable and friendly. Because more people like the status quo don’t mean its right . Because a clik of people accept certain people and things here, don’t mean I can’t still go over the mix also. a group of ten people out of a group of millions can be indicative of a good click or it can be just one variation of a dysfunctional group.. This is like a fire drill to go over how I might react in real life to same situations. If I knew someone like Elliot in real life I would avoid him thats all. . . Everything we do we have decisions, yes no , opinion about him or her. The best thing we can do is try to do is try to move the emotion part a little bit more to the intelligent part whereas we live in unison with our lives. I have always tried to show broader correlation and how things are connected in all areas of life.I have tried to take my anxiety and utilize it where it become useable instead of a drain. I am not one who can block things out so I learn to put them into different places in my brain. Sort of like filtering out the information. . Hopefully we all have our own real lives outside this group. In fact I think this is good therapy

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Gary anxiously waiting how what I said could be arrested for. .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Certainly one has to be thankful you are there and I am here." Steve, that is called a ‘veiled threat’, and could land you in prison, I’d be really careful about that kind of stuff. Dont’ believe me? I can show you examples if you like. " 24 hours with you wold be enough for anyone to selfdestruct.Oh wait some have already, me sooo surprised…" Yesterday you were talking about "separating emotion from intellect, moving further away from emotion, etc.." however it doesn’t look like you’re doing a very good job at that. " because I don’t want to take out my frrustration on myself or others." You may have bought into that statement, but I don’t believe it at all. Too much evidence suggests otherwise. "People who come to an anxiety group for get this anxiety, and who are criticized just reeks with hypocrisy" The world is filled with (and always has been) hypocrisy. Get used to it, become comfortable with it and then you can simply smile when you see it. At THAT point you will have "changed yourself" and maybe have a shot at a better life, at least from a mental standpoint. Nothing like good, clean, old-fashionned hate. Free entertainment. Gary Ratched There are excellent reasons to worry about those things and sometimes I think its a problem because I don’t want to take out my frrustration on myself or others. I have a history of buying into mental health profession that actually made me believe it was something inherently wrong with me instead of society. I learned you have to change yourself first and then try to change outside influences because they have a certain quantative effect on keeping people in down time… You can learn to be in denial , or you can learn you have responsibilities to make changes and id those things or you could be like you Elliott. Certainly one has to be thankful you are there and I am here. .I try to seperate the anxiety from personal issues and things and ideas. . People who come to an anxiety group for get this anxiety, and who are criticized just reeks with hypocrisy when the guy doing the criticizing has panic, control and anger issues tooo. and with you Elliott we very rarely heard why you panicked but thats not surprising with a control geek. . Like I said I am sure you have a history of control problem but so what, glad your flipping your wife out amongst others/ Elliott when you talk about Tom Thumb too is it any wonder? Did you see yourself in that dog video. Maybe this is why you panic? . I guess this is what happens when mental illness takes its toll , You’re a Scrotaljestersizer by definition. I know that’s just what you want to hear. Thank me another time lol thankyou, na, let your wife and family thank you honey, me just glad you don’t panic around here. 24 hours with you wold be enough for anyone to selfdestruct.Oh wait some have already, me sooo surprised…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Certainly one has to be thankful you are there and I am here." Steve, that is called a ‘veiled threat’, and could land you in prison, I’d be really careful about that kind of stuff. Dont’ believe me? I can show you examples if you like. yeah Gary knock yourself out. I studied prelaw long time ago. I will bet you this. If I can land in prison for what I just said, you know law better then me? There is absolutely no threat there! . One I think you took it the wrong way. I wouldnt want to risk going near this Elliott . I do love life too much and this guy is a nut case if I saw one but not sure psychotic.. When I said I am glad he is there and I am here I meant it. Now Gary you got anything better to do then make up crazy things ? " 24 hours with you wold be enough for anyone to selfdestruct.Oh wait some have already, me sooo surprised…" Yesterday you were talking about "separating emotion from intellect, moving further away from emotion, etc.." however it doesn’t look like you’re doing a very good job at that.

Why? I think its true with Elliott . so what? " because I don’t want to take out my frrustration on myself or others." You may have bought into that statement, but I don’t believe it at all. Too much evidence suggests otherwise.

Gary, you are also without any doubt one to say things because you think it makes good type. I can’t believe how you try to get involved in every post. then you say you don’t want to appear like you come off whatever. Perhaps you would feel better in trying to get in touch with your emotion. Everyone has fears , disliked etc.I do try to rationalize mine. You say things to people and you miss the point so much. We have a strong disagreement with perceptions. I think Gary you would respond to trolls and you wouldn’t know the difference. "People who come to an anxiety group for get this anxiety, and who are criticized just reeks with hypocrisy" The world is filled with (and always has been) hypocrisy. Get used to it, become comfortable with it and then you can simply smile when you see it. At THAT point you will have "changed yourself" and maybe have a shot at a better life, at least from a mental standpoint.

Of course, thats my hope one day but Elliott keeps responding to my posts lol or you lost that connection Gar. Nothing like good, clean, old-fashionned hate. Free entertainment.

Sometimes you need to react to get it off your chest. Gary Ratched

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are excellent reasons to worry about those things and sometimes I think its a problem because I don’t want to take out my frrustration on myself or others. I have a history of buying into mental health profession that actually made me believe it was something inherently wrong with me instead of society. I learned you have to change yourself first and then try to change outside influences because they have a certain quantative effect on keeping people in down time… You can learn to be in denial , or you can learn you have responsibilities to make changes and id those things or you could be like you Elliott. Certainly one has to be thankful you are there and I am here. .I try to seperate the anxiety from personal issues and things and ideas. . People who come to an anxiety group for get this anxiety, and who are criticized just reeks with hypocrisy when the guy doing the criticizing has panic, control and anger issues tooo. and with you Elliott we very rarely heard why you panicked but thats not surprising with a control geek. . Like I said I am sure you have a history of control problem but so what, glad your flipping your wife out amongst others/ Elliott when you talk about Tom Thumb too is it any wonder? Did you see yourself in that dog video. Maybe this is why you panic? . I guess this is what happens when mental illness takes its toll , You’re a Scrotaljestersizer by definition. I know that’s just what you want to hear. Thank me another time lol thankyou, na, let your wife and family thank you honey, me just glad you don’t panic around here. 24 hours with you wold be enough for anyone to selfdestruct.Oh wait some have already, me sooo surprised…

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yeah Gary knock yourself out. I studied prelaw long time ago. I will bet you this. If I can land in prison for what I just said, you know law better then me? There is absolutely no threat there! . One I think you took it the wrong way. I wouldnt want to risk going near this Elliott . I do love life too much and this guy is a nut case if I saw one but not sure psychotic.. When I said I am glad he is there and I am here I meant it. Now Gary you got anything better to do then make up crazy things ? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – " 24 hours with you wold be enough for anyone to selfdestruct.Oh wait some have already, me sooo surprised…" Yesterday you were talking about "separating emotion from intellect, moving further away from emotion, etc.." however it doesn’t look like you’re doing a very good job at that. " because I don’t want to take out my frrustration on myself or others." You may have bought into that statement, but I don’t believe it at all. Too much evidence suggests otherwise. "People who come to an anxiety group for get this anxiety, and who are criticized just reeks with hypocrisy" The world is filled with (and always has been) hypocrisy. Get used to it, become comfortable with it and then you can simply smile when you see it. At THAT point you will have "changed yourself" and maybe have a shot at a better life, at least from a mental standpoint. Nothing like good, clean, old-fashionned hate. Free entertainment. Gary Ratched There are excellent reasons to worry about those things and sometimes I think its a problem because I don’t want to take out my frrustration on myself or others. I have a history of buying into mental health profession that actually made me believe it was something inherently wrong with me instead of society. I learned you have to change yourself first and then try to change outside influences because they have a certain quantative effect on keeping people in down time… You can learn to be in denial , or you can learn you have responsibilities to make changes and id those things or you could be like you Elliott. Certainly one has to be thankful you are there and I am here. .I try to seperate the anxiety from personal issues and things and ideas. . People who come to an anxiety group for get this anxiety, and who are criticized just reeks with hypocrisy when the guy doing the criticizing has panic, control and anger issues tooo. and with you Elliott we very rarely heard why you panicked but thats not surprising with a control geek. . Like I said I am sure you have a history of control problem but so what, glad your flipping your wife out amongst others/ Elliott when you talk about Tom Thumb too is it any wonder? Did you see yourself in that dog video. Maybe this is why you panic? . I guess this is what happens when mental illness takes its toll , You’re a Scrotaljestersizer by definition. I know that’s just what you want to hear. Thank me another time lol thankyou, na, let your wife and family thank you honey, me just glad you don’t panic around here. 24 hours with you wold be enough for anyone to selfdestruct.Oh wait some have already, me sooo surprised…

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"Certainly one has to be thankful you are there and I am here." Steve, that is called a ‘veiled threat’, and could land you in prison, I’d be really careful about that kind of stuff. Dont’ believe me? I can show you examples if you like. " 24 hours with you wold be enough for anyone to selfdestruct.Oh wait some have already, me sooo surprised…" Yesterday you were talking about "separating emotion from intellect, moving further away from emotion, etc.." however it doesn’t look like you’re doing a very good job at that. " because I don’t want to take out my frrustration on myself or others." You may have bought into that statement, but I don’t believe it at all. Too much evidence suggests otherwise. "People who come to an anxiety group for get this anxiety, and who are criticized just reeks with hypocrisy" The world is filled with (and always has been) hypocrisy. Get used to it, become comfortable with it and then you can simply smile when you see it. At THAT point you will have "changed yourself" and maybe have a shot at a better life, at least from a mental standpoint. Nothing like good, clean, old-fashionned hate. Free entertainment. Gary Ratched – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are excellent reasons to worry about those things and sometimes I think its a problem because I don’t want to take out my frrustration on myself or others. I have a history of buying into mental health profession that actually made me believe it was something inherently wrong with me instead of society. I learned you have to change yourself first and then try to change outside influences because they have a certain quantative effect on keeping people in down time… You can learn to be in denial , or you can learn you have responsibilities to make changes and id those things or you could be like you Elliott. Certainly one has to be thankful you are there and I am here. .I try to seperate the anxiety from personal issues and things and ideas. . People who come to an anxiety group for get this anxiety, and who are criticized just reeks with hypocrisy when the guy doing the criticizing has panic, control and anger issues tooo. and with you Elliott we very rarely heard why you panicked but thats not surprising with a control geek. . Like I said I am sure you have a history of control problem but so what, glad your flipping your wife out amongst others/ Elliott when you talk about Tom Thumb too is it any wonder? Did you see yourself in that dog video. Maybe this is why you panic? . I guess this is what happens when mental illness takes its toll , You’re a Scrotaljestersizer by definition. I know that’s just what you want to hear. Thank me another time lol thankyou, na, let your wife and family thank you honey, me just glad you don’t panic around here. 24 hours with you wold be enough for anyone to selfdestruct.Oh wait some have already, me sooo surprised…

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There are excellent reasons to worry about those things and sometimes I think its a problem because I don’t want to take out my frrustration on myself or others. I have a history of buying into mental health profession that actually made me believe it was something inherently wrong with me instead of society. I learned you have to change yourself first and then try to change outside influences because they have a certain quantative effect on keeping people in down time… You can learn to be in denial , or you can learn you have responsibilities to make changes and id those things or you could be like you Elliott. Certainly one has to be thankful you are there and I am here. .I try to seperate the anxiety from personal issues and things and ideas. . People who come to an anxiety group for get this anxiety, and who are criticized just reeks with hypocrisy when the guy doing the criticizing has panic, control and anger issues tooo. and with you Elliott we very rarely heard why you panicked but thats not surprising with a control geek. . Like I said I am sure you have a history of control problem but so what, glad your flipping your wife out amongst others/ Elliott when you talk about Tom Thumb too is it any wonder? Did you see yourself in that dog video. Maybe this is why you panic? . I guess this is what happens when mental illness takes its toll , You’re a Scrotaljestersizer by definition. I know that’s just what you want to hear. Thank me another time lol thankyou, na, let your wife and family

thank you honey, me just glad you don’t panic around here. 24 hours with you wold be enough for anyone to selfdestruct.Oh wait some have already, me sooo surprised… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"The bottom line is try not to take too much what anyone says here seriously." OK… "I think there are emotions and then there is intellect. I come here to see if I can unify them more." a) If we are "not to take too much what anyone says here seriously" then why would you ever be successful in unifying anything, or creating this "change" you so strongly claim to support? b) Not content with the first stab, you (not so subtlely) stabbed again, this time giving the dog the cancer. This is disconcerting and sad, reflective of an angry and disenfranchised product of a way-too-big and mean town, and probably precious little else. but don’t worry about it, because I’m not "real life", and we certainly don’t live with each other. People who post here ARE real people – whether you have the insight to see that or not is immaterial; they are real and so are their concerns. Your narcissism is frightening at times. People who try to "out mean" others do not impress me, and actually just show how devolved our society is on a number of levels. "I have always tried to show broader correlation and how things are connected in all areas of life." If that was really the case, you would realize that being unkind to anyone, regardless of whether you "like" them or not – is a negative and unproductive use of your time, and can only harm. Your grandiosity coupled with a less than optimal "intellect" and semi-loose associations again forces me to (in the spirit of a committment to honesty) suggest that you may have a thinking disorder – probably of the schizophreniform sort. "The best thing we can do is try to do is try to move the emotion part a little bit more to the intelligent part whereas we live in unison with our lives." That could almost (maybe) be construed as a defensible statement, except that… well, it just wouldn’t be polite to say much else here……. G – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gary you and others here get into he said she said too much, because in reality there are way more important issues going on and I usually outline them on other groups and sometimes here. . I think I have said this many times. I think there are emotions and then there is intellect. I come here to see if I can unify them more. . Anxiety is often nothing less then fears of not knowing what the future will bring . People say whatever they want to try to mitigate those fears. some of it appears real and some of it doesnt, some of it is funny and some of it is to take up time. The bottom line is try not to take too much what anyone says here seriously. This is not real life lol It might well be reflective of real situations going on in our brain, and a place to release tension and frustration etc. But in fact don’t live with each other do we? True I don’t like Elliott but so what? I know many people don’t like me, but when you try to make progress on issues or in life people hate sometimes the scent of reality or change.. Change is extremely threatnings and so the status quo is often much more reliable and friendly. Because more people like the status quo don’t mean its right . Because a clik of people accept certain people and things here, don’t mean I can’t still go over the mix also. a group of ten people out of a group of millions can be indicative of a good click or it can be just one variation of a dysfunctional group.. This is like a fire drill to go over how I might react in real life to same situations. If I knew someone like Elliot in real life I would avoid him thats all. . . Everything we do we have decisions, yes no , opinion about him or her. The best thing we can do is try to do is try to move the emotion part a little bit more to the intelligent part whereas we live in unison with our lives. I have always tried to show broader correlation and how things are connected in all areas of life.I have tried to take my anxiety and utilize it where it become useable instead of a drain. I am not one who can block things out so I learn to put them into different places in my brain. Sort of like filtering out the information. . Hopefully we all have our own real lives outside this group. In fact I think this is good therapy

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two people on here who criticized when I posted initially and I had not said anything negative or mean till then to anyone here, one I won’t name and the other is you. It takes a special shumuck with problems and panic to not recognize the same things in others as in yourself but I said that before and I think Elliott says what people want to hear not whats really on his mind and thus maybe this is why he Panics. but dont worry about me k?

they tell you violent crime Msg: 943 of 943 is down. They don’t tell you the true numbers about anything else unless they want to make you think everything is wonderful. Lets see violent crime is down for two states on Saturday afternoon bed, dragged a comb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – across the head – found the way downstairs and drank a cup, and looking up, noticed it was late – but took the time to write: Steve is being mean, to someone who doesn’t really care (not that much anyway). I don’t care about him and me at all – really. I’ve been around far too long and dealt far greater idiots than him As I’d posted previously, people need to be careful about posting personal information because a jerk such as Steve, or others, might decide to toss it back as a way to hurt (and only because he has no other way to respond – as any real thoughts and/or ideas don’t exist . That can hurt (if not destroy, to an extent) certain other people. Internet or not, it’s a part of real life. There are many people who use Usenet as a lifeline because they either have nothing else, or they think it ‘is’ their world. A personal jab to certain people can (and has) deepened depression & turned people away from the forum they depended on to vent – as they had given out very personal details in the process. Usenet is an anarchy, and always has been. It can be a great way to get information of all sorts. It can be a great way to be involved in all sorts of debates, as well as find moral support and…. even find friends. It can also help those with afflictions find out that they’re not alone, and find help and support via the many many support groups. It’s those that seem the most vulnerable (support group members) as if a woman reports on a rape group some details about herself, and some moron decides to say some jerk off thing such as "get it right, girlie – you were asking for it" – I’d say that the original poster needed to be aware that such an event could take place. Steve is such a person who has proven (proven) that he would do something quite as similar. I only feel it fair that others be careful. My guess is that he’d never use any information unless one where tell him shut the fuck up – and that’s where he runs out of gas and HAS to resort to ’some way’ to counter. Intellectually, he has no way, so he has to use data that has been supplied. I won’t bring up what he said about me again, as it isn’t a concern of mine, nor does it bother me. It was so that others could know that he’s capable of such things, that could hurt them. As I said, it could hurt some to an extent that he has no idea, since he doesn’t think this is ‘real.’ How wrong. It (the internet) is part of the real world. Any form of communication is part of ones’ real world/universe – and a part of their personal environment and total life experience. Steve (or Tom Thumb) will just have to suck himself some more and get used to the idea that he’s not even 1/2 — Elliott remove eee to eeemail http://home.earthlink.net/~ejk2/

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Gary you and others here get into he said she said too much, because in reality there are way more important issues going on and I usually outline them on other groups and sometimes here. . I think I have said this many times. I think there are emotions and then there is intellect. I come here to see if I can unify them more. . Anxiety is often nothing less then fears of not knowing what the future will bring . People say whatever they want to try to mitigate those fears. some of it appears real and some of it doesnt, some of it is funny and some of it is to take up time. The bottom line is try not to take too much what anyone says here seriously. This is not real life lol It might well be reflective of real situations going on in our brain, and a place to release tension and frustration etc. But in fact don’t live with each other do we? True I don’t like Elliott but so what? I know many people don’t like me, but when you try to make progress on issues or in life people hate sometimes the scent of reality or change.. Change is extremely threatnings and so the status quo is often much more reliable and friendly. Because more people like the status quo don’t mean its right . Because a clik of people accept certain people and things here, don’t mean I can’t still go over the mix also. a group of ten people out of a group of millions can be indicative of a good click or it can be just one variation of a dysfunctional group.. This is like a fire drill to go over how I might react in real life to same situations. If I knew someone like Elliot in real life I would avoid him thats all. . . Everything we do we have decisions, yes no , opinion about him or her. The best thing we can do is try to do is try to move the emotion part a little bit more to the intelligent part whereas we live in unison with our lives. I have always tried to show broader correlation and how things are connected in all areas of life.I have tried to take my anxiety and utilize it where it become useable instead of a drain. I am not one who can block things out so I learn to put them into different places in my brain. Sort of like filtering out the information. . Hopefully we all have our own real lives outside this group. In fact I think this is good therapy

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you missed another special contribution from Elliott. Me going to get David Burns feel good cut out bookthough, because . If I can only be 1/2 well as Elliott

1/2 well as Elliott? (so you’ll phone halfway home?) ELLL-EEEE-OTTTTT!!!! I am thinking I can take a video of me and the neighborhood dog before the poor dog gets doggy cancer.

HUH? they ain’t found’ah cure fer cancer, but yer predictin’ it? now that’s what i call …. REPROGRESSION! (new word… now THAT’s progress) STEVE ! WTF ARE YOU TALKIN’ ABOUT ?????? ~tanya <

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Steve is being mean, to someone who doesn’t really care (not that much anyway). Steve hates Elliott, and it appears that Elliott has little use for Steve as well. This started with some "debate" (steve-esque debate style is my guess) which annoyed Elliott, about CBT (not the one ur thinkin’ of baby)- – and then Steve told Elliott, in so many words, that he was probably responsible for his own wife’s illness (breast cancer – which she survived). Everyone chewed Steve out, he decided the only sensible thing (?) to do was dig his heels in and say he doesn’t care about "popularity" (which appears to be amply true, at least here anyway). Elliott asked for apology – which is the one thing I don’t completely understand, if he truly finds Steve insignificant – why ask him for anything? But I digress, and will probably be called worse than Ratched now…. Point is, Steve would not, so there is now permanent bad blood between these two cats – and now Steve is attacking Elliott’s dogs with allusions to cancer, etc.. (Very poor form, Steve – if you truly wanna fuck with someone, at least get a little better at it…) I hope that has brought you up to speed Tanya. Were you in jail all this time or something? G

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you missed another special contribution from Elliott. Me going to get David Burns feel good cut out bookthough, because . If I can only be 1/2 well as Elliott 1/2 well as Elliott? (so you’ll phone halfway home?) ELLL-EEEE-OTTTTT!!!! I am thinking I can take a video of me and the neighborhood dog before the poor dog gets doggy cancer. HUH? they ain’t found’ah cure fer cancer, but yer predictin’ it? now that’s what i call …. REPROGRESSION! (new word… now THAT’s progress) STEVE ! WTF ARE YOU TALKIN’ ABOUT ?????? ~tanya <

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ok.. what’d i miss? ~tanya you missed another special contribution from Elliott. Me going to get

David Burns feel good cut out bookthough, because . If I can only be 1/2 well as Elliott I am thinking I can take a video of me and the neighborhood dog before the poor dog gets doggy cancer.

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Why do fish swim? Because they’re afraid of land sharks, ya putz.

and why do dogs lick their pee pee? because they can’t make a fist, whaddah shame. ~tanya

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Elliott I was just kidding. Had I known you would get so hyper on a joke, I would never have joked about The new mood therapy book and your old dog videos. I gots a complimentary gift for you just to show you don’t have to panic because of all this. Just calm down and relax, I will send a blind transexual to come and give you a sponge bath. (whats your address?) I shouldn’t have to tell you this, but dont assume free sex either.I only paid for necessary parts of your care.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – dragged a comb across the head – found the way downstairs and drank a cup, and looking up, noticed it was late – but took the time to write: Why do fish swim? Because they’re afraid of land sharks, ya putz. — Elliott remove eee to eeemail http://home.earthlink.net/~ejk2/

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ok.. what’d i miss? ~tanya

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A male patient is lying in bed in the hospital, wearing an oxygen mask over his mouth and nose, still heavily sedated from a difficult, four hour, surgical procedure. A young, student nurse appears to give him a partial sponge bath. "Nurse," he mumbles, from behind the mask. "Are my testicles black?" Embarrassed, the young nurse replies, "I don’t know, Sir. I’m only here to wash your upper body and feet." He struggles to ask again, "Nurse, are my testicles black?" Concerned that he may elevate his vitals from worry about his testicles, she overcomes her embarrassment and sheepishly pulls back the covers. She raises his gown, holds his penis in one hand and his testicles in the other. Then, she takes a close look and says, "There’s nothing wrong with them, Sir!" why is this an issue? i dated many a man with black testicles. it goes with tha territory when ya date black men… don’t it? DID I MISS SUMTHIN? The man pulls off his oxygen mask, smiles at her and says very slowly, "Thank you very much. That was wonderful, but, listen very, very closely…… A r e – m y – t e s t – r e s u l t s – b a c k? Ma? i’m gonna hit you in yer head you make me laff so bad ! (why do i fall fer this stuff?) Why do fish swim? ~tanya

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A male patient is lying in bed in the hospital, wearing an oxygen mask over his mouth and nose, still heavily sedated from a difficult, four hour, surgical procedure. A young, student nurse appears to give him a partial sponge bath. "Nurse," he mumbles, from behind the mask. "Are my testicles black?" Embarrassed, the young nurse replies, "I don’t know, Sir. I’m only here to wash your upper body and feet." He struggles to ask again, "Nurse, are my testicles black?" Concerned that he may elevate his vitals from worry about his testicles, she overcomes her embarrassment and sheepishly pulls back the covers. She raises his gown, holds his penis in one hand and his testicles in the other. Then, she takes a close look and says, "There’s nothing wrong with them, Sir!"

why is this an issue? i dated many a man with black testicles. it goes with tha territory when ya date black men… don’t it? DID I MISS SUMTHIN? The man pulls off his oxygen mask, smiles at her and says very slowly, "Thank you very much. That was wonderful, but, listen very, very closely…… A r e – m y – t e s t – r e s u l t s – b a c k?

Ma? i’m gonna hit you in yer head you make me laff so bad ! (why do i fall fer this stuff?) ~tanya

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A male patient is lying in bed in the hospital, wearing an oxygen mask over his mouth and nose, still heavily sedated from a difficult, four hour, surgical procedure. A young, student nurse appears to give him a partial sponge bath. "Nurse," he mumbles, from behind the mask. "Are my testicles black?" Embarrassed, the young nurse replies, "I don’t know, Sir. I’m only here to wash your upper body and feet." He struggles to ask again, "Nurse, are my testicles black?" Concerned that he may elevate his vitals from worry about his testicles, she overcomes her embarrassment and sheepishly pulls back the covers. She raises his gown, holds his penis in one hand and his testicles in the other. Then, she takes a close look and says, "There’s nothing wrong with them, Sir!" The man pulls off his oxygen mask, smiles at her and says very slowly, "Thank you very much. That was wonderful, but, listen very, very closely…… A r e – m y – t e s t – r e s u l t s – b a c k?