Cancer and CULEVIT food supplement
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rude rude rude Selah, I fail to see where I have been rude in any of my postings. Please quote where you find rudeness.
Well, as the person who made the "rude" comments (not lbucc), I fail to see why they are "rude". I didn’t say that you thought there were UFOs in AREA 45. I was simply pointing out that your "believing" that something works is not the same as something working.
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<< And to let you know that there are people reading this group, who are open to alternative therapies. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to discuss alternative therapies without getting attacked by these people who push conventional therapies. I, for one, am wide open to alternative therapies. I’ve tried quite a few in my seven year experience with cancer. If I do get a benefit from one, I’ll tell you my age and diagnosis, the therapy I used with dosages and frequency of administration, and the result I experienced. That’s the least you can do and be credible. Rolf
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quote where you find rudeness. Well, as the person who made the "rude" comments (not lbucc), I fail to see why they are "rude". I didn’t say that you thought there were UFOs in AREA 45. I was simply pointing out that your "believing" that something works is not the same as something working.
You are so clever! I’ll bet you were Prez of your college Debate Club. So few people have a clue about logic or science, they seem to think that the first part needed for something to be true is that they must be a nice person and be sincere…. Gimme a break. Steph: 9,682 Selah: zilch. again….
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selah, You accused me of being rude to you. I asked for quotes from my posts to show where you thought that was the case. You provided quotes from others…not me. I reiterate, I have not been rude to you and take offense in your stating that I have. You have been politely asked, by me, to provide substantiation of your claims. You have not done so. …lisa
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Ok. Here is an example from you: Excuse me, but it seems to me that it is you who needs to give better data.
Nope, you’re wrong. The onus is on the one who declares that something works. It’s up to you to provide data proving efficacy. Otherwise you are just a rude spammer for the pharaceutical greed merchants
I fail to see anything rude at all in Rolf’s post. Are you perhaps just a little too sensitive? Overreacting is, you know, one of the prime spammer symptoms…right up there with name calling. …lisa You people are just playing games. I don’t believe that you don’t know that you’re being rude and biased. I am finished talking to you and your friends. From now on you’re in my kill file. selah, You accused me of being rude to you. I asked for quotes from my posts to show where you thought that was the case. You provided quotes from others…not me. I reiterate, I have not been rude to you and take offense in your stating that I have. You have been politely asked, by me, to provide substantiation of your claims. You have not done so. …lisa
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I would like to apologize to you for the rudeness, biasedness and insensitivity of these people. And to let you know that there are people reading this group, who are open to alternative therapies. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to discuss alternative therapies without getting attacked by these people who push conventional therapies. I do not know anything about the treatment you are talking about. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – << Please give us the name of this young woman and the medical facility where she was treated. I am not allowed to give around such information. An obvious phony. I asked her and she disagrees. So, believe what you want. I do not have time to argue with you here nor is my aim to prove you anything. Samo
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rude rude rude Selah, I fail to see where I have been rude in any of my postings. Please quote where you find rudeness.
The following is an example of what I’m talking about. I made a statement. Instead of simply asking me, in a polite way, what I was talking about, you imply right from the start, before knowing anything about what I’m talking about, that I am someone who is into UFOs or quartz crystals. That is rude and insulting. Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
Thanks for the info. Just to let you know that there are people reading this group who know that alternative treatments can be very effective.
There are people reading this newsgroup who "know" that there is a captive UFO Area 45. There are people reading this newsgroup who "know" that the emanations of a quartz crystal can cure AIDS. Some alternative treatments may well be very effective, but I think you are confusing "know" and "believe" Below is another example of what I’m talking about: I made a statement, and would have been glad to give the details to someone who asked in a polite way, but instead I’m threatened, that if I don’t reveal these personal and sensitive things, I’m a spammer. That is not only rude, it’s also false. There may well be people who do not want to get into details, who simply want to make a supportive statement concerning a treatment. It is true that they might be spammers, or they may be people who are legitimate and just don’t want to get into the attacks that are certain to come from making a positive statement about an alternative treatment. But, you and your friends don’t seem to care if you attack or are rude to someone who is legitimate. Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer << but others succeeded. And they succeeded where conventional doctors had told me there was no treatment You really have to provide better data than these vague assurances. You need to provide symptoms, diagnosis, specifics on the treatment, etc. Otherwise, you are just another spammer talking nonsense. Rolf —
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Samo says: << Or you are fully persuaded that the work worth nothing simply because a guy from Hungary wrote it? I have no bias against Hungary. Our USA spammers leave Hungarians far behind. Rolf
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<< Please give us the name of this young woman and the medical facility where she was treated. I am not allowed to give around such information. An obvious phony.
I asked her and she disagrees. So, believe what you want. I do not have time to argue with you here nor is my aim to prove you anything. Samo
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I personally know a young woman, who beat breast cancer (already spreaded on lymph system) in only few months with chemotherapy and with large dozes of CULEVIT together. The improvement was so fast that doctors even shorten planed chemotherapy. She is fully recovered now and feels well for almost three years. I’ll bite. Tell me more. To know whether this testimonial means anything we need to know that the involved lymph nodes were not removed surgically, as would be the normal practice. If they weren’t, how was it known that they were involved? If they were, how do you know that she is not one of the patients with stage 11 breast cancer who will have about a 40-50% ten year disease-free survival rate with surgery alone? And about 10% more if chemotherapy if added. I smell a fairly typical made-up AM commercial testimonial.
What is it with you people? Can’t you simply ask a polite question without adding an insult afterwards? What are you? You seem like paid attack dogs for the pharmaceutical industry to me. In other words – spammers for the pharmaceutical industry. —
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What is it with you people?
We happen to be people who have received a diagnosis of cancer. Many of us have spent thousands of hours since our diagnosis researching the disease and possible treatments – both traditional and "altmed." We’re highly suspicious of anyone claiming to have a treatment that works yet cannot supply clinical testing results to substantiate their claims. Someone who continues on to make irrational stements about us being involved in a pharma conspiracy raises even more red flags. Face it, selah, you fit the spammer profile. …lisa
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is it with you people? We happen to be people who have received a diagnosis of cancer. Many of us have spent thousands of hours since our diagnosis researching the disease and possible treatments – both traditional and "altmed." We’re highly suspicious of anyone claiming to have a treatment that works yet cannot supply clinical testing results to substantiate their claims. Someone who continues on to make irrational stements about us being involved in a pharma conspiracy raises even more red flags. Face it, selah, you fit the spammer profile. …lisa
I’d say more like the brainwashed, not aware of how ignorant they are profile….
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is it with you people? We happen to be people who have received a diagnosis of cancer. Many of us have spent thousands of hours since our diagnosis researching the disease and possible treatments – both traditional and "altmed." We’re highly suspicious of anyone claiming to have a treatment that works yet cannot supply clinical testing results to substantiate their claims. Someone who continues on to make irrational stements about us being involved in a pharma conspiracy raises even more red flags. Face it, selah, you fit the spammer profile. …lisa
I’m not going to continue in this infantile "you’re a spammer" – "no- you are" nyaa nyaa nyaa nyaa nyaa If you don’t like people talking about alternative treatments for cancer, why don’t you start your own group called alt.cancer.conventional.treatments, or something? If you are not a paid attack dog for the pharm companies, then you’re just a very rude person who attacks people who are closely involved with others who have cancer, or who have cancer themselves just for mentioning alternative treatments. If there is anyone who doesn’t have an agenda, who actually wants to hear what I have to say and is polite, I’ll be glad to correspond with them and divulge the details of what I have seen with alternative treatments. I would even reveal test results to someone who asks in a kind way. But I must say that you and your friends do sound like you’re from the pharma companies. Why else would you be so quickly rude to someone who very possibly has cancer, or who has a loved one who does? Is this is the way you "researched" thousands of methods of treatment? If I were someone who had a breakthrough in the treatment of cancer, I wouldn’t want to tell you what it was. And, for the record, I am not with any group that is trying to sell a treatment for cancer, nor do I have anything to sell personally. Maybe you could start a group called alt.rude.people.with.cancer —
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rude rude rude
Selah, I fail to see where I have been rude in any of my postings. Please quote where you find rudeness. The only one being rude here is you. You accuse where there is no grounds for your accusation. You asked a question, I gave you an answer. Don’t ask if you don’t want to know. You post information to a forum and when asked to substantiate that information, you attack. If that’s not rude, I don’t know what is. …lisa
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<< you’re just a very rude person who attacks people who are closely involved with others who have cancer, or who have cancer themselves just for mentioning alternative treatments. Once again, selah, No one has attacked you, ust asked for some substantive info to back your claims. We constantly hear from people with vague refences to miracle ‘cures’ with no specifics. Any of us could make up a dozen of those today. Back up your claim, or find a sci-fi newsgroup. Rolf
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<< I personally know a young woman, who beat breast cancer (already spreaded on
There isn’t any young woman, and there doesn’t appear to be a www.culevit.com. You can find Culevit on cyberhungary. net. There you will find a lot of pumping and no technical information. They are selling what appears to be a high priced multi-vitamin. Probably won’t hurt you. I have nothing against Hungary or Hungarians. They will cost you a lot less than I lost on Enron. Rolf
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<< I personally know a young woman, who beat breast cancer (already spreaded on There isn’t any young woman, and there doesn’t appear to be a www.culevit.com. You can find Culevit on cyberhungary. net. There you will find a lot of pumping and no technical information. They are selling what appears to be a high priced multi-vitamin. Probably won’t hurt you. I have nothing against Hungary or Hungarians. They will cost you a lot less than I lost on Enron. Rolf
I’ve never said that the case about the woman is on the Internet. That is a case I personally know (the only one). And I do not know what really help her to recover so fast. That is why I am asking if anybody else have any experience with Culevit? Specified www address brings me directly to their main page, which in fact is physically located on cyberhungary. net. There is a PhD Thesis available online, but unfortunately I do not understand much there. Samo
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<< That is a case I personally know (the only one). And I do not know what really help her to recover so fast. Please give us the name of this young woman and the medical facility where she was treated. << There is a PhD Thesis available online, but unfortunately I do not understand much there. Neither will anyone else.
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Apologies if that is so. We see a great many products "advertised’ in this manner. My comments about the breast cancer case stand. You would expect 26 year old to often recover very well after such treatment. (and it is a feature of alternative testimonials that there is always a doctor "astonished" at results. ) — P Moran – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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<< That is a case I personally know (the only one). And I do not know what really help her to recover so fast. Please give us the name of this young woman and the medical facility where she was treated.
I am not allowed to give around such information. Furthermore, what would be the point? It is only one case and I do not know if Culevit really helps her in any way? Culevit is not on sale in our country and her doctors officially know nothing about it. I hoped that someone from Eastern Europe (where Culevit is pretty common) would read this and give us their experiences. << There is a PhD Thesis available online, but unfortunately I do not understand much there. Neither will anyone else.
Well, I certainly will not since that is not my field. However, what do you mean with anyone else? Are you so good that you can assert that on first look? Or you are fully persuaded that the work worth nothing simply because a guy from Hungary wrote it? Samo
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<< Please give us the name of this young woman and the medical facility where she was treated.
I am not allowed to give around such information. An obvious phony. << Culevit is not on sale in our country It’s for sale to anyone on the website for $299 for the recommended supply. All you need is a credit card. Rolf
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My father (66) has recently been diagnosed a lung cancer. He has just passed a first chemotherapy cure. We are decided to try everything that will help him physically and psychically to withstand the illness. Among others, we were suggested to try alternative therapy with CULEVIT (http://www.culevit.com). For now CULEVIT is sold as food supplement in eastern Europe only (Hungary, Czech Republic, Poland, Romania, . ). As you can see on the web site, it has not been clinically tested yet but they maintain that it has no side effects. It is based on scientific work of Dr. Gyula Kulcsar from Hungary who researches a human Passive Antitumor Defense System (PADS). I personally know a young woman, who beat breast cancer (already spreaded on lymph system) in only few months with chemotherapy and with large dozes of CULEVIT together. The improvement was so fast that doctors even shorten planed chemotherapy. She is fully recovered now and feels well for almost three years. Does anybody else have any experience with CULEVIT? Does it have any side effects? Sincerely, Samo Zupan
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Hungarian SPAM. Rolf
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I personally know a young woman, who beat breast cancer (already spreaded on lymph system) in only few months with chemotherapy and with large dozes of CULEVIT together. The improvement was so fast that doctors even shorten planed chemotherapy. She is fully recovered now and feels well for almost three years.
I’ll bite. Tell me more. To know whether this testimonial means anything we need to know that the involved lymph nodes were not removed surgically, as would be the normal practice. If they weren’t, how was it known that they were involved? If they were, how do you know that she is not one of the patients with stage 11 breast cancer who will have about a 40-50% ten year disease-free survival rate with surgery alone? And about 10% more if chemotherapy if added. I smell a fairly typical made-up AM commercial testimonial. P Moran
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I personally know a young woman, who beat breast cancer (already spreaded on lymph system) in only few months with chemotherapy and with large dozes of CULEVIT together. The improvement was so fast that doctors even shorten planed chemotherapy. She is fully recovered now and feels well for almost three years. I’ll bite. Tell me more. To know whether this testimonial means anything we need to know that the involved lymph nodes were not removed surgically, as would be the normal practice. If they weren’t, how was it known that they were involved? If they were, how do you know that she is not one of the patients with stage 11 breast cancer who will have about a 40-50% ten year disease-free survival rate with surgery alone? And about 10% more if chemotherapy if added. I smell a fairly typical made-up AM commercial testimonial. P Moran
Maybe my letter looks like a commercial testimonial but it is not. I am just looking for a ray of hope for my father. I am not a Hungarian nor I have anything with company selling Culevit. The fact is that Culevit is on sale only in Eastern Europe as a food supplement and has not been clinically tested nowhere yet. That is why I am sceptical and looking for other experiences and opinions. Everything I know I’ve found on their home page and heard from woman I mentioned. I am not a doctor and I know very little about medicine. You can go to their home page (http://www.culevit.com) and make your own opinion (you can find there even PhD thesis online). About the woman – she’s got breast cancer after first delivery (~25 years old). Her husband told us she had a very aggressive form and yes – she had a surgery (left breast and some lymph nodes on her left arm) before chemotherapy. However, the fact is also that she recovered astonishing (her doctor’s opinion) fast and fully with a combination of chemotherapy and large doses of Culevit. She also took some other herbs (Tahebo, red beet, different herbal teas, ..). I really do not know if Culevit had any role in her recovery and that is why I am asking for your opinion in this place. S. Zupan
