i'm looking for susan koman?

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Ms. Koman,

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The Susan G. Komen breast cancer foundation is at http://www.komen.org/ Tim Jackson

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More Needless Mistakes & Deaths

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Dutch teletekst news service said that the practices of Jomanda, a well-known occultic ”faith healer” in the Netherlands, is being investigated by health authorities. If they turn out to be harmful to public health, the case will be turned over to the Attorney General. Reason for the investigation is the recent death of Sylvia Millecam, a popular entertainer. She died of cancer. It has been reported that Jomanda assured Millecam the latter did not suffer from cancer. Last year, Jomanda’s web site carried a purported recipe against cancer A recipe by Jomanda purported to heal cancer, posted on the internet, has incurred sharp reactions from the medical community. According to Jomanda, known as a healing medium, a mixture of codliver oil, honey, and sage is enough to control and get rid of cancer The Netherlands Cancer Institute is angry over Jomanda’s recipe, because her advice is complete nonsense. [...more...] Woede over recept Jomanda tegen kanker (Dutch) De Telegraaf, May 19, 2000 http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/news1/an010918-22.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ted Nidiffer is a lackey for Barrett. Barrett cllaims to protect the public, but he conveniently leaves out the biggest killers of all. Now back to the subject. Good idea. Why do you always divert a thread when someone is discussing the totally unethical propagandist employed by your girlfriend, Hulda Clark? Umm, the topic was posted by me.

And the topic broadened to include all needless mistakes and deaths, including those caused by Hulda and Bolen. But I don’t expect you to see who did the diverting.

No one. A topic broadens as it is discussed. Or, are you so narrowminded that you cannot contemplate two parts of the same thought at the same time? Or have any interest in the MANY needless mistakes and deaths each day.

But I do. Hulda and Bolen cause many of them. Why are they taboo? Sad that.

Yes, it is sad that you are so selective that you want to ignore those poor, desperate, people who gets stripped of their life savings and have their loved ones die.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ted Nidiffer is a lackey for Barrett. Barrett cllaims to protect the public, but he conveniently leaves out the biggest killers of all. Now back to the subject. Good idea. Why do you always divert a thread when someone is discussing the totally unethical propagandist employed by your girlfriend, Hulda Clark? Umm, the topic was posted by me. And the topic broadened to include all needless mistakes and deaths, including those caused by Hulda and Bolen. No, it didn’t broaden, when you see Ted Nidiffer, you know it is trolling, protecting Barrett because he lies when he claims to protect the public.

Are you really that stupid or is it an act?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ted Nidiffer is a lackey for Barrett. Barrett cllaims to protect the public, but he conveniently leaves out the biggest killers of all. Now back to the subject. Good idea. Why do you always divert a thread when someone is discussing the totally unethical propagandist employed by your girlfriend, Hulda Clark? Umm, the topic was posted by me. And the topic broadened to include all needless mistakes and deaths, including those caused by Hulda and Bolen.

No, it didn’t broaden, when you see Ted Nidiffer, you know it is trolling, protecting Barrett because he lies when he claims to protect the public. Now back to this huge problem. Minorities Carry Uneven Burden in Testing of Vaccines The above comes to us from the San Jose Mercury News on Monday December 20, 1999. This story is one of simple ethical fairness regardless of your views on the utility of vaccinations. "

Co Enzyme Q10

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CoQ10 Right now, I cant think or research good, because of the effects of the Arimidex & radiation therapy, so I dont know if CoQ10 is good or not for breast cancer. I remember a thread at sci.med.nutrition about CoQ10 from Aug. 2001, where we were discussing the cheapest ways to get CoQ10. Someone suggested ordering it in bulk from Canada (http://www.ashapharma.com) , http://www.ashapharma.com She said that 1/32 teaspoon equaled 200 mg of CoQ10, I believe. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=su_texas+CoQ10 (sci.med.nutrition, Aug.2001, read the last 10 posts or so.) I dont know much, about buying or using CoQ10. Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions

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I had read one study which looked like it might give added protection to the heart but that in itself might have made Adriamycin less effective.   I am thinking of taking that along with Celebrex and either Doxycycline or Tetracycline.  I am also taking Arimidex. Of course I plan to keep up with my exercise program as soon as I am able (post-recovery from surgery) and also plan to continue consuming fresh vegetable juice drinks routinely (couple times/week).  I am also drinking green tea, at least one glass of organic grape juice per day, and have minimal dairy products.   In addition, I use buy eggs and meats from non-hormone fed animals.  However, I haven’t eliminated those completely since we still eat out.  I also plan to eat non-farm raised salmon at least once, if not twice/week.  Other things I have done diet-wise are eating minimal amount of white sugar, less processed foods, and minimal if any alcohol.  (I don’t do artificial sweeteners and have hardly drank any soda for years).  I have no clue if any of this will be helpful–sure wish the research was in–but then again what works for one may not work for another….

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CoQ10, CoenzymeQ10, The Natural Pharmacist (TNP) TNP keeps moving its information.  #%&! Today, I found it at http://www.google.com/search?q=healthgate+trinity+tnp (click on Natural Pharmacy Consumer, & then click on the letter "C" under Herbs & Supplements.) It says that CoQ10 is better used by the body, when it is mixed (or taken?) with oil. It says that CoQ10 is similar to Vitamin K. It says that the therapeutic daily dose is from 30 to 300 mg, & that it is preferable to take this in divided doses throughout the day. ??? Susan, Su_Texas  my opinions

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<< t says that CoQ10 is similar to Vitamin K. It says that the therapeutic daily dose is from 30 to 300 mg, & that it is preferable to take this in divided doses throughout the day.   Thanks for the info–do appreciate.

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Hi Kaye,     Probably the most important thing to do is make some life-style changes. Linus Pauling the two-time Nobel Prize winner, stated that, "You can trace every sickness, every disease, and every ailment to a mineral deficiency," which certainly makes sense because man was created from the dirt.  So you might want to consider rebuilding the nutrition in your system, as well as, ridding your bathroom and cosmetic bag of any products that contain potentially cancer-causing ingredients.  For CoEnzyme Q10, check out: http://www.timeforbetterhealth.com/Products/Cardiol/CardiolFrameset.html for some shocking information on cancer in personal care products look at: http://timeforbetterhealth.com/CancerPrevention/CancerPreventionFrame… http://timeforbetterhealth.com/InfoHarmfulIngredients/HarmfulIngFrame… for minerals there are several possibilities, but this one is excellent: http://www.timeforbetterhealth.com/Products/MaximolSolutions/MaximolF… and this is an option that might have great benefit for you: http://timeforbetterhealth.com/Products/NoniAuthenticHawaiian/Hawaiia… You’ve been through a lot.  Isn’t It Time For Better Health?     Suzanne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was just wondering if anyone is or has taken this who has b.c. and what the pros/cons might be?  I was thinking of starting it now that I have finished treatment (except I am still on Arimidex) ’cause my last ekg had a blip on it for the first time.

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I take it.  It is very expensive.  I have read that it is best to take it with some oil/fat.  I take it with fish oil capsules as it is better absorbed.  I have copied info from the life extension foundation site (lef.org) http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-022b.shtml CoQ10 (Coenzyme Q10) has demonstrated promise in treating breast cancer. Although there are only a few studies, the safe nature of coQ10 coupled with this promising research suggests that breast cancer patients should take 100 mg 3 times a day. It is important to take coQ10 with some kind of oil such as fish or flax since dry powder coQ10 is not readily absorbed without it. CAUTION: Some studies indicate that coenzyme Q10 should not be taken at the same time as chemotherapy. If this is true, it would be disappointing, since coQ10 is so effective in protecting against adriamycin- induced cardiomyopathy. Adriamycin is a chemotherapy drug sometimes used as part of a chemotherapy cocktail. Until more research is known, it is not possible to make a definitive recommendation whether to take coQ10 during chemotherapy.

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I was just wondering if anyone is or has taken this who has b.c. and what the pros/cons might be?  I was thinking of starting it now that I have finished treatment (except I am still on Arimidex) ’cause my last ekg had a blip on it for the first time.

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Statement Regarding Ilena

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Re: Ilena (Rose) Rosenthal and Humantics Foundation This statement has been prepared and signed by a group of concerned individuals and/or organizations who have been active advocates of breast-implanted women.  Some of us are breast implant survivors; some of us are also breast cancer survivors; and some of us are simply concerned family and friends of survivors.  The purpose of this statement is to disavow the Humantics Foundation for Women and its Director, Ms. Ilena Rosenthal(Rose), as legitimate advocates in this issue. Many of us have been involved as victims, survivors, and advocates in the  breast implant issue for many years.  Many of us have sustained devastating  personal injuries or are close to those that have.  For some time, some of us  have also suffered personal attacks from Ms. Rosenthal. In our opinions,  Ms. Rosenthal’s views and actions do not reflect the views, dedication, and sympathies of the majority of breast implant advocates, because of Ilena Rosenthal’s persistent personal written and verbal attacks, we announce our distrust of not only her words and actions, but also her motivation.  Ms. Rosenthal has never had implants, nor breast cancer, and solicits for donations for her foundation.  We denounce her attacks for the harm and mental stress that they have caused many truly injured parties the implanted women. The best place to verify these issues is on that portion of the internet known as "Usenet", the text-based side of the net.  We would suggest that you not just look at alt.support.breast-implant, but to look elsewhere as well.  We recommend going to Google.com’s usenet advanced group search page: http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search, and doing a search for "Ilena Rose Rosenthal" Please read that which has been written regarding Ms. Rosenthal, and that which Ms. Rosenthal has written in response. Sincerely,

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http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/matrix.html

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Backadapack Report: Daytona Beach Race for the Cure 5k

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Hi, Chrystal, Great report, as usual!  You had quite a weekend!  Thanks for the post, Chrystal

Thanks. Yep, this is my year for events. The plan is to scale back a bit next year. Yeah, right <G. Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Hi, Bernard, Wow! Running on the speedway, cool. Thanks for another excellent report, Layne.

Thank you. It really was as much fun as I’d hoped (not always the case). Did I mention that the place is huge <G? Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Hi, Roger, Event Name: Race for the Cure – Daytona Great job Layne and wow another RFTC.  I missed one I could have done Saturday, but oh well, we have a local one coming up.

Thanks. They really are for a good cause and they’re fun to run. Our local one is in October and I’m definitely looking forward to it. Nausea came and went before I even got the finishers medal. Pictures are at: http://curly.cis.unf.edu/pics/sports/rftcdaytona02/ What?  A "finishers medal" for a RFTC?  I never knew they did that.  BTW where is the picture of that "finishers medal?"  A person that posted just 22 minutes after you did include a picture of his finishers medal with his post.  ;-)

I missed Daniel’s post so it took me a while to figure out what you were saying. Did you not like the picture of the t-shirt from the XC <G? Yeah, a picture of a shirt is pretty cheesy but it’s a cool shirt. You’re right, the medal is pretty neat, too. I don’t get all the nice hardware that Susan gets <G. I’ll be happy with the memories and pictures. Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Hi, Peter, Way to go Layne!

Thanks! With all the races you’ve been running (and have got upcoming), I can’t keep up with your reports.  Great results for races on back to back days.

LOL. Neither can I. I’m curious to see what happens this Fall when there’ll be events that take some training. Thanks! You know, they have these 12 step programs now.  Repeat after me:  "My name is Layne, and I am a racer"  :) (apologies to anyone battling their own, much more serious, personal demons)

That’s actually kinda scary. At a talk I gave last week I introduced myself as "Hi, My name is Layne and I am a runner." Of course with my speed, I’ll need a 16 step program. Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Hi, Dot, Event Name: Race for the Cure – Daytona Time: 7:30 a.m. Nice race, Layne! So you got your NASCAR fix, finally

Thanks, Dot. Yep, and it was every bit as good as I’d hoped. You would have liked the curves – short but steep Florida hills. Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Hi, Charlie, Nice job Layne – and I loved the pictures! Those banks are steep!

Thanks. You would have loved it. Just being on the track was pretty neat. Every now and then I’d think, "Oh yeah, I need to run." You’re right, the banks were amazing. Even the front stretch would have done bad things to my knees if we’d run on it. Cool stuff. Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Hi, Jobs, Event Name: Race for the Cure – Daytona cool race, layne. congrats. you had a busy weekend.

Thanks. Yeah, and two weeks after my two in one day weekend. Nothing this weekend but a small sprint tri. how about running 3 over the memorial day weekend?

LOL. You *think* you’re kidding. Nah, we only have one 5K that weekend. Susan has clinched an AG 3rd place in the Jacksonville Grand Prix and the Memorial Day 5K is one of the last races. I may try to beat her in so I can get a picture. Yeah, right. Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Hi, Nina, It was a nice run but being in the Speedway was a real treat. Layne! Your enthusiasm is SO contagious! Two exciting experiences in one weekend. What a cool race! I really wish I could have been there. I’m dying to run on a speedway some day. (I really don’t like motor sports but the idea of running on that thing, hmmm.)

Thank you. You’re right about running on a speedway. Some of Susan’s friends heard about my 5K and called up to find out more about it. They aren’t auto race fans but they too wanted to run on the track <G. I’d highly recommend it for non-NASCAR fans since it’s so different than a 5K through town or a mall parking lot (not that I don’t enjoy those, too). When I was running beside the track, I tried to imagine three cars side by side at 190 miles an hour and it is amazing. I’d done some regional road racing years ago but nothing like goes on at Daytona. Wow. They gave out a lot of food for a 5k, too, huh?

Yep, and there was plenty of it. In fact, they were pushing it on the spectators. A lot of it was in vendor booths instead of the race host tables so the vendors were really hawking the chow. I felt sorry for the Pop Tart folks since very few people were interested in their wares (the Pop Tarts did look nasty). The cookies were big chocolate chip cookies but they aren’t even in the saem food group as your chocolate. Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Hi, Teresa, Event Name: Race for the Cure – Daytona Personal Time: 30:00 Personal Pace: 9:40 Wow, you hit your goal pace right on the head! Good pacing, I’d say!

Thanks. Scared me <G. A weird thing was that I felt like I was going too slow in mile 2 (climbing the banks, doncha know) so I picked it up. This was the first time I can remember picking it up that far from the finish and having the right result. May have been coincidence but, hey, I’ll take credit for it. That sure does sound like an unusual place to run, though I’m not sure I’d like it much for a race. You must have a lot of energy, two races back-to-back like that!! Great job!

It was an amazing place to run. Once a year is probably about right. My gas tank was ticking on E at the end on the 5K <G although no calf cramps so something went right. There’s still something about an event that stokes my boiler. I suppose that feeling will go away at some point but until it does … Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Event Name: Race for the Cure – Daytona # of participants completing the course: 1287

Congratulations! How did you manage to find a RFTC with only 1287 participants? My local race had over 20,000! Here’s a tip, jog those banked turns at a .3 min/mi. pace, and it’s a lot easier on the old ankles! — Harold

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Event Name: Race for the Cure – Daytona Personal Time: 30:00 Personal Pace: 9:40 to do the Jax RftC in October, I could let go and just enjoy. One of my tasks for this run was to do a steady 30 minute pace. Pictures are at: http://curly.cis.unf.edu/pics/sports/rftcdaytona02/ Layne

Wow, you hit your goal pace right on the head! Good pacing, I’d say! That sure does sound like an unusual place to run, though I’m not sure I’d like it much for a race. You must have a lot of energy, two races back-to-back like that!! Great job! Teresa in AZ

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Nice job Layne – and I loved the pictures! Those banks are steep! charlie —

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Event Name: Race for the Cure – Daytona

cool race, layne. congrats. you had a busy weekend. how about running 3 over the memorial day weekend? jobs

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Way to go Layne! With all the races you’ve been running (and have got upcoming), I can’t keep up with your reports.  Great results for races on back to back days. You know, they have these 12 step programs now.  Repeat after me:  "My name is Layne, and I am a racer"  :) (apologies to anyone battling their own, much more serious, personal demons) Peter Skov Oakville, ON — "Your ass is a muscle which must be rested."  -  BudLight Institute

—  another fun report snipped — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Event Name: Race for the Cure – Daytona Personal Time: 30:00 Personal Pace: 9:40 Personal Place Overall (males): 401 out of 643 Personal Place Age Group (males): 32 out of 37 # of participants completing the course: 1287 Winning Time: 16:03 Last Finisher: 56:39 Results URL: http://www.altavistasports.com/cure051102.html

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It was a nice run but being in the Speedway was a real treat.

Layne! Your enthusiasm is SO contagious! Two exciting experiences in one weekend. What a cool race! I really wish I could have been there. I’m dying to run on a speedway some day. (I really don’t like motor sports but the idea of running on that thing, hmmm.) They gave out a lot of food for a 5k, too, huh? Happy running! nina

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Event Name: Race for the Cure – Daytona Time: 7:30 a.m.

… Comments:    This was so cool. I felt a little guilty since the Race for the Cure series is such a good cause but I was stoked just being *in* the Daytona Speedway. I decided that since I had already done the RITA and was planning to do the Jax RftC in October, I could let go and just enjoy. One of my tasks for this run was to do a steady 30 minute pace.

Nice race, Layne! So you got your NASCAR fix, finally Dot

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Event Name: Race for the Cure – Daytona Time: 7:30 a.m. Distance: 5K Location: Daytona Beach , Florida, USA Host: Alta Vista Sports Benefit: Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation Course Layout: Twisted loop (Mobius?) Course Terrain: Daytona Speedway; asphalt. Weather Conditions: 76F/24.4C, sunny, very muggy, no breeze. Sociological (Fashion, fighting, foolery, and food):    Fashion: Lots of race day t-shirts, lots of Race for the Cure t-shirts from other races, several t-shirts with a large 3 on them (Dale Earnhardt), a few long blue jeans (men), lots of new shoes, and lots of make-up (women – mostly, I guess).    Fighting: One pair of parents were pushing a stroller but the curtain climber, er, young person wanted out. Dad kept going while Mom stopped to deal with the child. When Mom saw what Dad was doing (or not doing) she told him just to keep on running after he crossed the finish line. He came back.    Foolery: One young woman was told repeatedly that her shoe was untied but she thought people were just messing with her. Her shoe really was untied.    Food: Bananas, oranges, Yoplait yogurt, smoothies (of unknown nature), Pop Tart rolls (very few takers), PowerBars, and cookies. Personal Time: 30:00 Personal Pace: 9:40 Personal Place Overall (males): 401 out of 643 Personal Place Age Group (males): 32 out of 37 # of participants completing the course: 1287 Winning Time: 16:03 Last Finisher: 56:39 Results URL: http://www.altavistasports.com/cure051102.html Comments:    This was so cool. I felt a little guilty since the Race for the Cure series is such a good cause but I was stoked just being *in* the Daytona Speedway. I decided that since I had already done the RITA and was planning to do the Jax RftC in October, I could let go and just enjoy. One of my tasks for this run was to do a steady 30 minute pace. I ran a 5 mile trail event the prior evening and tried to get to sleep by 11:30. After tossing and turning until after 1, sleep finally happened. At 4:30 the alarm went off and my first thought (after What the hell is that?) was How do I turn that sucker off? Unplugging the clock worked quite well. Once I was up, I didn’t feel tired or sleepy, just brain dead. I ate some Grape Nuts, drank something that was in the fridge, gathered my gear (no checklist – Danger, Will Robinson), and beat wheels down to Daytona Beach. The entry to the Speedway was through the tunnel under turn 4. Volunteer organization was excellent. The registration area was a circus. I registered (yep, had the wallet) and took the first batch of goodies back to the car. There was a little time to just look around and that place is huge. Even the lake in the center was bigger than I’d imagined. The loud speakers were everywhere so it was very easy to hear what the organizers were saying. About 10 minutes before the start, a ‘peppy’ young woman led a dance aerobics warmup routine over the loudspeakers. While I didn’t participate (As mentioned in a previous report, I don’t dance physically, only mentally and verbally.), I did feel for the people who were wearing themselves out before the run even started. The start line was on pit road at the Start/Finish for the NASCAR races (it runs across the track and across pit road). The banking for the front stretch was as steep as any bridge in Jax and I could see the curve banking (Wow!). The pit wall was pretty narrow so I can see how pit crews could trip on the thing. I jumped up on it and got a picture of the Start/Finish line. There were several dozen volunteers trying to keep the runners off the grass and herded together for the start. One of the Speedway workers waved a green flag and we were off. Pit road is a lot narrower than it appears on TV so we were bunched pretty tightly at the start. Our course followed part of the road course used for the 24 hour race at Daytona and snaked around inside the oval track. We made a turn and ended up on the shoulder for turns 1 and 2. Yep, a bunch of people (me included) ran up the curves – there was no possible way to run around the curves even if the race officials hadn’t been chasing every back down to the shoulder. I noticed that only guys were running up the curves – I didn’t see one woman try it. Hmm. We could have stopped then and I would have been happy (Can you say ‘easily amused’? I knew you could.). The second mile was mostly down the back stretch shoulder. There was a little shade from the banking (!) at the start of turn 3. Mile 3 was at the end of turn 4 and there was a large crowd yelling for the runners. Some of the runners who had finished had come back to yell a bit, too (and wave water bottles as incentive). I watched the clock ticking toward 30 minutes and picked it up a bit – 29:54 and then into a line in the chute. Nausea came and went before I even got the finishers medal. It was a nice run but being in the Speedway was a real treat. I didn’t know anyone and didn’t have a chance to really meet anyone. After visiting the food and freebie row, I headed for the car and home. My celebration treat was a huge breakfast at a beaches diner called, uh, The Beaches Diner. Susan’s plane gets in at 11:00 p.m. so all’s right with the world and a nap was definitely in order. Splits: Mile    Time    MHR     AHR 1       9:54    153     143 – :20 to get to the start line 2       10:02   158     152 – hill work on banking, speed work to escape race officials 3       9:16    166     159 .1      :48     170     167 Pictures are at: http://curly.cis.unf.edu/pics/sports/rftcdaytona02/ Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Great report, as usual!  You had quite a weekend!  Thanks for the post, Chrystal

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Event Name: Race for the Cure – Daytona Time: 7:30 a.m. Distance: 5K Location: Daytona Beach , Florida, USA Host: Alta Vista Sports Benefit: Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation Course Layout: Twisted loop (Mobius?) Course Terrain: Daytona Speedway; asphalt. Weather Conditions: 76F/24.4C, sunny, very muggy, no breeze. Sociological (Fashion, fighting, foolery, and food):    Fashion: Lots of race day t-shirts, lots of Race for the Cure t-shirts from other races, several t-shirts with a large 3 on them (Dale Earnhardt), a few long blue jeans (men), lots of new shoes, and lots of make-up (women – mostly, I guess).    Fighting: One pair of parents were pushing a stroller but the curtain climber, er, young person wanted out. Dad kept going while Mom stopped to deal with the child. When Mom saw what Dad was doing (or not doing) she told him just to keep on running after he crossed the finish line. He came back.    Foolery: One young woman was told repeatedly that her shoe was untied but she thought people were just messing with her. Her shoe really was untied.    Food: Bananas, oranges, Yoplait yogurt, smoothies (of unknown nature), Pop Tart rolls (very few takers), PowerBars, and cookies. Personal Time: 30:00 Personal Pace: 9:40 Personal Place Overall (males): 401 out of 643 Personal Place Age Group (males): 32 out of 37 # of participants completing the course: 1287 Winning Time: 16:03 Last Finisher: 56:39 Results URL: http://www.altavistasports.com/cure051102.html Comments:    This was so cool. I felt a little guilty since the Race for the Cure series is such a good cause but I was stoked just being *in* the Daytona Speedway. I decided that since I had already done the RITA and was planning to do the Jax RftC in October, I could let go and just enjoy. One of my tasks for this run was to do a steady 30 minute pace. I ran a 5 mile trail event the prior evening and tried to get to sleep by 11:30. After tossing and turning until after 1, sleep finally happened. At 4:30 the alarm went off and my first thought (after What the hell is that?) was How do I turn that sucker off? Unplugging the clock worked quite well. Once I was up, I didn’t feel tired or sleepy, just brain dead. I ate some Grape Nuts, drank something that was in the fridge, gathered my gear (no checklist – Danger, Will Robinson), and beat wheels down to Daytona Beach. The entry to the Speedway was through the tunnel under turn 4. Volunteer organization was excellent. The registration area was a circus. I registered (yep, had the wallet) and took the first batch of goodies back to the car. There was a little time to just look around and that place is huge. Even the lake in the center was bigger than I’d imagined. The loud speakers were everywhere so it was very easy to hear what the organizers were saying. About 10 minutes before the start, a ‘peppy’ young woman led a dance aerobics warmup routine over the loudspeakers. While I didn’t participate (As mentioned in a previous report, I don’t dance physically, only mentally and verbally.), I did feel for the people who were wearing themselves out before the run even started. The start line was on pit road at the Start/Finish for the NASCAR races (it runs across the track and across pit road). The banking for the front stretch was as steep as any bridge in Jax and I could see the curve banking (Wow!). The pit wall was pretty narrow so I can see how pit crews could trip on the thing. I jumped up on it and got a picture of the Start/Finish line. There were several dozen volunteers trying to keep the runners off the grass and herded together for the start. One of the Speedway workers waved a green flag and we were off. Pit road is a lot narrower than it appears on TV so we were bunched pretty tightly at the start. Our course followed part of the road course used for the 24 hour race at Daytona and snaked around inside the oval track. We made a turn and ended up on the shoulder for turns 1 and 2. Yep, a bunch of people (me included) ran up the curves – there was no possible way to run around the curves even if the race officials hadn’t been chasing every back down to the shoulder. I noticed that only guys were running up the curves – I didn’t see one woman try it. Hmm. We could have stopped then and I would have been happy (Can you say ‘easily amused’? I knew you could.). The second mile was mostly down the back stretch shoulder. There was a little shade from the banking (!) at the start of turn 3. Mile 3 was at the end of turn 4 and there was a large crowd yelling for the runners. Some of the runners who had finished had come back to yell a bit, too (and wave water bottles as incentive). I watched the clock ticking toward 30 minutes and picked it up a bit – 29:54 and then into a line in the chute. Nausea came and went before I even got the finishers medal. It was a nice run but being in the Speedway was a real treat. I didn’t know anyone and didn’t have a chance to really meet anyone. After visiting the food and freebie row, I headed for the car and home. My celebration treat was a huge breakfast at a beaches diner called, uh, The Beaches Diner. Susan’s plane gets in at 11:00 p.m. so all’s right with the world and a nap was definitely in order. Splits: Mile Time MHR AHR 1 9:54 153 143 – :20 to get to the start line 2 10:02 158 152 – hill work on banking, speed work to escape race officials 3 9:16 166 159 .1 :48 170 167 Pictures are at: http://curly.cis.unf.edu/pics/sports/rftcdaytona02/ Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at

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Hi, Harold, Event Name: Race for the Cure – Daytona # of participants completing the course: 1287 Congratulations! How did you manage to find a RFTC with only 1287 participants? My local race had over 20,000!

Thanks. After reading some of the other reports from this weekend, I should have enjoyed the ‘open’ running more <G. The RftC in Jax is also a somewhat smaller event. I’ll definitely take note when I run it this Fall. Of course, I might not have noticed a larger crowd since I was so jazzed about running on the speedway. Here’s a tip, jog those banked turns at a .3 min/mi. pace, and it’s a lot easier on the old ankles!

I’d love to try that next year. When I ran up the banking, I noticed that I couldn’t have stopped. I have no clue how they applied the asphalt. I did notice that when I turned to come down the banking, my right foot (on the track) was at about the same level as my left knee <G. Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Hi, Mike, Super cool. I’ve been to a number of sports car and motorcycle races there, but didn’t know they had a run there.  Gotta do that one.

I think that you’d really like it. Even though it’s flat, I don’t get the impression that it’s a PR/PB type of course – most of it slants from right to left. I think that this was the third year they’ve had it in the speedway after they outgrew the LPGA (in 1999, there was about an hour line of cars still waiting to park when they started the race). Next year! Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Hi, Cam, congrats on the race, Layne. when you mentioned you packed your gear without a checklist ("Danger, Will Robinson") I expected that you would discover something important was missing at the race site…. but I was happy to hear that wasn’t the case.

Thanks. You and me both (re: no checklist) but the fates must have been busy elsewhere. I’ve gotten into the habit of storing running stuff in the travel bag so the wallet and keys are the only danger items. Great run,

It was a lot of fun (at least the parts I can still remember – I don’t know how Roger does those multievent weekends). No injuries and no psychological scars that I’ve noticed <G. Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Event Name: Race for the Cure – Daytona

Great job Layne and wow another RFTC.  I missed one I could have done Saturday, but oh well, we have a local one coming up. Nausea came and went before I even got the finishers medal. Pictures are at: http://curly.cis.unf.edu/pics/sports/rftcdaytona02/

What?  A "finishers medal" for a RFTC?  I never knew they did that.  BTW where is the picture of that "finishers medal?"  A person that posted just 22 minutes after you did include a picture of his finishers medal with his post.  ;-) Thanks,         Roger The rec.running report archives may be found at

http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Super cool. I’ve been to a number of sports car and motorcycle races there, but didn’t know they had a run there.  Gotta do that one. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman USA, 79 days & counting

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Wow! Running on the speedway, cool. Thanks for another excellent report, Layne. Bernard — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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congrats on the race, Layne. when you mentioned you packed your gear without a checklist ("Danger, Will Robinson") I expected that you would discover something important was missing at the race site…. but I was happy to hear that wasn’t the case. Great run, Cam Event Name: Race for the Cure – Daytona Time: 7:30 a.m. Distance: 5K Location: Daytona Beach , Florida, USA

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Ilena (Rose) Rosenthal and Humantics Foundation

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http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/ss.html http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/maan.html What’s most interesting about this … one of the versions of this listed many people who do not exist …

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Re: Ilena (Rose) Rosenthal and Humantics Foundation This statement has been prepared and signed by a group of concerned individuals and/or organizations who have been active advocates of breast-implanted women. Some of us are breast implant survivors; some of us are also breast cancer survivors; and some of us are simply concerned family and friends of survivors.  The purpose of this statement is to disavow the Humantics Foundation for Women and its Director, Ms. Ilena Rosenthal(Rose), as legitimate advocates in this issue. Many of us have been involved as victims, survivors, and advocates in the breast implant issue for many years.  Many of us have sustained devastating personal injuries or are close to those that have.  For some time, some of us have also suffered personal attacks from Ms. Rosenthal. In our opinions,  Ms. Rosenthal’s views and actions do not reflect the views, dedication, and sympathies of the majority of breast implant advocates. Because of Ilena Rosenthal’s persistent personal written and verbal attacks, we announce our distrust of not only her words and actions, but also her motivation.  Ms. Rosenthal has never had implants, nor breast cancer, and solicits for donations for her foundation.  We denounce her attacks for the harm and mental stress that they have caused many truly injured parties

Ilena (Rose) Rosenthal and Humantics Foundation

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http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/ss.html http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/maan.html What’s most interesting about this … one of the versions of this listed many people who do not exist …

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Re: Ilena (Rose) Rosenthal and Humantics Foundation This statement has been prepared and signed by a group of concerned individuals and/or organizations who have been active advocates of breast-implanted women. Some of us are breast implant survivors; some of us are also breast cancer survivors; and some of us are simply concerned family and friends of survivors.  The purpose of this statement is to disavow the Humantics Foundation for Women and its Director, Ms. Ilena Rosenthal(Rose), as legitimate advocates in this issue. Many of us have been involved as victims, survivors, and advocates in the breast implant issue for many years.  Many of us have sustained devastating personal injuries or are close to those that have.  For some time, some of us have also suffered personal attacks from Ms. Rosenthal. In our opinions,  Ms. Rosenthal’s views and actions do not reflect the views, dedication, and sympathies of the majority of breast implant advocates. Because of Ilena Rosenthal’s persistent personal written and verbal attacks, we announce our distrust of not only her words and actions, but also her motivation.  Ms. Rosenthal has never had implants, nor breast cancer, and solicits for donations for her foundation.  We denounce her attacks for the harm and mental stress that they have caused many truly injured parties

a buck for c@ncer society – and it's not even your buck

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Okay, embies, we did it, we replied, and we don’t not ever do those things, but we just did.  So okay, you’ve had some effect, in case you wondered. Beauty. — To email me, remove "nospam" from my address. I am only so useful these days, but I can pass this along and maybe they will make some $ for cancer research. I must have some purpose, eh? it’s also educational, and they get the dollar even if you get the questions wrong. peace from our pieces, embies Take a very short

Can Injury Cause Breast Cancer? No Way, Jose!

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correction:  the lump was thin & flat, & was shaped like a thick quarter. susan, su_texas  

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the lump that formed was very odd. it was flat, round, & thin, & it covered the main area of the left breast, exactly where it had hit the pavement. the lump was shaped like a thin quarter, & it was located right under the skin (& not deep inside the breast). the injuries had to be a contributing factor, to the formation of that cancerous lump, … due to its size, shape, location, the time of formation, etc. susan, su_texas  my opinions

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<< in Jan. 1998, my left breast was severely damaged by my hitting pavement & sliding. two years later, a lump appeared almost overnight in that breast, exactly where it had hit the pavement so hard. do you think that there is a connection, between the injury & the cancer which developed there? Just wondering if there was undetected breast cancer present at the time of your injury which may have been why you had difficulties with the injuries healing?  Many years ago (in late ’60’s) myy mother’s aunt was dx’d with cancer in her liver in her late 60’s following a fall in which she sustained bad bruises which did not heal.  Looking back on it we wonder if she really had had undetected breast cancer which metastisized to her liver.  One of her daughter’s passed away at the age of 31 from breast cancer. 9 months before I was diagnosed I had a supposed normal mammogram.  Soon after the mammogram I found a hardened area in my upper chest.  I thought the compression from the mammogram might have bruised the area and resulted in some trauma.  I asked my ob-gyn about it and he was not concerned–since the mammogram had been normal.  I asked another ob-gyn about it a few months later–and received a similar response.  However, a few months after that I experienced pain in that breast and my nipple began to change daily.  A biopsy was done in that hardened area I noticed after the mammogram–and that was malignant.  My surgeon said that the type of cancer I had (invasive lobular) had been there for about  5 to 10 years and was the type that often didn’t show up on mammograms. Eventually the hardened area did show up on the mammogram and I think it wasn’t visible on the one that was done 9 months before either because the films were underexposed or they did not go up high enough because of the location. Although the mammogram may have resulted in some trauma to the area, I am sure that did not cause the cancer which had most likely been there for several years.  However, it did make it possible to detect.  The area might have been more susceptible to being traumatized and/or not healing quickly because it was already cancerous.

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<< the injuries had to be a contributing factor, to the formation of that cancerous lump, … due to its size, shape, location, the time of formation, etc.   It could very well be possible that the type of "injuries"  that developed in that area did so because it was already cancerous and predisposed to becoming the way that you describe if it were traumatized in any way.  Cancer develops from a single cell which grows exponentially.  It is often not visible an/or detectable until the number of cells has reached 10 to the 9th power which is why you may have it for several years before it is first detected and/or a recurrence shows up.  By the time it reaches 10 to the 13th power, I believe it is generally considered stage IV.  Some cancers, however,  are faster growing than others which is why the aggressiveness of the tumor(s) growth may be considered more accurate in determining prognosis than the stage at which it was diagnosed.

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Susan Love says that a cancer that can be felt as a lump in your breast started growing at least ten years ago. –Alice

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Short answer, there is NO connection between injury to the breast and breast cancer.

Yes.  My mom remembers that, as a little girl (so this was 1948 or so), if someone bonked you on the chest while playing, you clutched your chest and screamed, "Cancer, cancer!" Her dad, who was a doctor, took her aside and made sure she understood that this was a myth. — Aloha, Catharine Character is what you do when no one’s watching.

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hi kaye, i dont have problems with things healing. my wounds heal very fast. however, major injuries to the spine, face injuries (such as TMJ), ongoing concussion (?), etc., dont seem to heal. once they are injured, it seems to start a rapid degeneration process of the spine, body, nerves, etc. i will know more about my cancer, after the mastectomy. so far, they just dont know much. susan, su_texas  my opinions

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The whole gamut of breast cancer myths makes its appearance in this ng rather routinely. I expect any day to see a post urgently exhorting us to believe that antiperspirant clogs our sweat glands and causes us to develop cancer, or at least a newbie asking us if it’s true.–Alice

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injuries can (& do!) damage the immune system. from what i have read so far, it seems that the immune system is responsible, for killing off the cancer cells as they develop. if the immune system is damaged, & cannot do this job well, … then the survival rate of cancer cells is much higher, which can lead to cancer developing. this is what i have read, & it sounds legit. therefore, injuries can affect the immune system (& probably do some other things), which can contribute to a person’s developing cancer, … & to their developing it in the injured area. in Jan. 1998, my left breast was severely damaged by my hitting pavement & sliding. two years later, a lump appeared almost overnight in that breast, exactly where it had hit the pavement so hard. do you think that there is a connection, between the injury & the cancer which developed there? i now know, that in many ways, medical care is still quite primitive, .. & that not much is known yet, about cancer, spine injuries, concussion, etc. when someone claims to be an expert about these, & when they claim to know for definitely sure about medical subjects & care, … then i become somewhat skeptical of anything else that they have to say. it has been my experience, that intelligence usually begins, with an admission of dumbness, with sincere humility, … with a need & eagerness to learn, … & with a lack of arrogance, demands, & posturing. but as always, YMMV. after i was severely injured, & my immune system was affected, i became very allergic to antiperspirant & deoderant, … my underarms became red, inflamed, & very painful, … & huge burns developed. it took many months of cortisone treatments, to clear it up. (now, i would probably use aloe vera gel, followed by olive oil instead, if the condition developed again.) instead of using deoderant, i now use a home-made blend of baking soda & cornstarch, which works just fine. there are some potentially harmful ingredients in deoderants and/or antiperspirants, including aluminum. if there is no need to put aluminum, on or in your body, … & if it might be harmful, … then why use it, when you can use much safer stuff? i have now learned a lot from experience, from my being severely injured, & from my pursuing medical care for the last four years, … however, i still have much to learn. susan, su_texas  my opinions

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As you may recall, there has recently been discussion in this newsgroup about this topic.  I was am unbelieving skeptic who did not believe injury could cause breast cancer; another felt that injury had caused her breast cancer.  Short answer, there is NO connection between injury to the breast and breast cancer. I did a short visit to google.com, using "breast cancer" +injury as my search keywords….there were pages and pages of citations, here are a few quotes from the first few articles I found which discussion the words in combination with each other (i.e., I did not bother with sites that contained an article on bc and an article on injury, only those with the two in combination). http://www.maurer-foundation.org/BC/TOP10.HTM 9. Underwire bras can cause cancer. TRUTH: A book entitled Dressed to Kill was published several years ago promoting this totally unsubstantiated and completely false theory. Unfortunately, many women still fear the effects of wearing underwire bras. However, researchers have known since the turn of the century that injuries do not cause breast cancer; this includes injury from car accidents, sports injuries, and the constrictions of underwire bras. Even the compression of a medical test (like a mammogram) cannot cause breast cancer. Breasts can become bruised or even develop a lump from injury but they cannot develop cancer from an injury. A lump may form after an injury because some of the tissue may have broken away and died (this is called a fatty necrosis) and like any lump, should be examined by a physician. http://www.cansa.co.za/facts_myths_breast.asp A blow or injury to the breast can cause breast cancer Not true. but such injuries often draw attention a pre-existing lump in the breast http://www.christianwomentoday.com/health/bcancerFAQ.html Can injury to the breast cause breast cancer? No connection has been found between breast cancer and breast injury. In some cases, an injury to the breast may make an existing tumour more apparent. http://www.mjbovo.com/BreastCaMyths.htm MYTH: An injury to the breast can cause breast cancer. TRUTH: Sometimes trauma to the breast may result in detection of breast cancer, but this is not due to the injury. Rather it is because the breast is being examined and followed more closely than usual. http://www.royalmarsden.org/patientinfo/booklets/breast_care/causes.asp Does injury cause breast cancer? No – but a woman may notice a lump after a knock because she feels her breast more carefully. http://www.mhcs.health.nsw.gov.au/health-public-affairs/mhcs/publicat… 45.html There’s no evidence that fluid retention, radiation from breast X-rays, stress, wearing bras or a blow to the breast causes breast cancer. It is interesting to note that most of the info was under headings such as "breast cancer myths" and similar.  There are articles here from the US, Canada, Australia, England…

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Canhelp.com – cancer treatment database

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http://canhelp.com/ Patrick M. McGrady Director Patrick M. McGrady has been writing on medicine for more than 30 years. He is director of CANHELP, a cancer patient advisory service. He is also co-founder and past vice-president of the American Aging Association, and serves on the Board of Directors of the Northwest Oncology Foundation. He has been a trustee of the Civil Justice Foundation; president of the American Society of Journalists and Authors; Moscow bureau chief for Newsweek; editor of an NBC-TV foreign affairs program, Briefing Session; news editor for the Congress for Cultural Freedom in Paris, and staff newsman for AP, UP and The Chicago Sun Times. CANHELP was inspired by the death in 1980 from cancer of his father, Pat McGrady Sr., who was for 25 years science editor of the American Cancer Society and founder of its renowned Science Writers’ Seminar. Mr. McGrady Sr. was author of a landmark book on cancer research, The Savage Cell (Basic Books, 1964). Patrick is co-author with the late Nathan Pritikin of the best-selling Pritikin Program for Diet and Exercise (Grosset and Dunlap, Bantam Books, 1979); co-author with Richard Corriere, Ph.D. of Life Zones (Morrow, Ballantine); and author of Television Critics in a Free Society (Fund for the Republic); The Youth Doctors (Coward-McCann), and The Love Doctors (MacMillan). He has been a guest on over 600 TV and radio talk shows, is a frequent lecturer on medical topics, a consultant to patient, legal, hospital and pharmaceutical organizations, and a well-known advocate of cancer patients’ rights. He is a 1954 graduate of Yale College with a BA in Political Science. His work with CANHELP has been hailed by his clients, health writers, and groups such as National Alliance of Breast Cancer Organizations (NABCO), ECaP, the International Association of Cancer Victors and Friends, and other healthcare organizations.

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Patrick M. McGrady has been writing on medicine for more than 30 years. He is director of CANHELP, a cancer patient advisory service. He is also

This is a commercial service, which charges for dispensing treatment "advice".  Considering that the original posting is from an anonymous throwaway account, this is obviously spam of the worst sort — attempting to profit off of cancer patients.  He should be ashamed of himself.

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